S01E06 - Gary Gerould
Radio voice of the Sacramento Kings since 1985
S01E06 - Gary Gerould
Gary "The G-Man" Gerould is an American sportscaster and well known for his role as the radio voice of the Sacramento Kings. Gary shares some amazing stories from early on in his broadcast career and opens up as to what it was like to be the pit reporter for the Indy Racing League and the Indianapolis 500.
Welcome to The Jerry Reynold's Show here at the beautiful studios of McCreery's, a home furnishings and.
Not only do we have a great studio here, but you can buy some of the greatest furniture in the Sacramento area, and certainly it's been that way for decades, but a really exciting time. For me here today because as our guests who, you know, we have maybe the most gifted radio announcer and certainly, uh, a celebrity here in Sacramento for many, many years.
And I would also say, uh, he may not want to take credit for this, but he was certainly been a mentor to me for four years as well. Mr Gary. Gerald.
Gary Gerould: [00:01:19] Well, wow. I'm blushing. You're very kind. Thank you. Jerry.
Jerry Reynolds: [00:01:24] So, you know, I guess just, uh, one of the things I want to start off with, it's always been interesting, you know, in our, we've been together for 35 years basically, and, and I still go a lot of places and people will call me G, man.
And I've watched it that
Gary Gerould: [00:01:39] that's both ways.
Jerry Reynolds: [00:01:39] Yeah. I've always said, well, that's, you know, I said, that's a very much a compliment. I take it that way if you, you kn ow, because I'll say, well, I'm not G man, but I'm Jay Reynolds or something, and then they'll say, Oh, I'm so sorry. I said, no, don't be sorry.
Gary Gerould: [00:01:53] That's giving, giving me a little bit.
I usually, I have, I don't quite know how to handle that in situation. Can I say, okay, do I tell him that I'm not Jerry or do I let him believe that I am Jerry? And then if they want to do a photo or a selfie or something like that, I say, you better understand that I'm Gary. I'm not Jerry. Yeah, you just play it.
You know, it's, it is a little bit, and I haven't frequently,
Jerry Reynolds: [00:02:15] and I get a little bit too where people say,
Gary Gerould: [00:02:17] Oh yeah, Jerry,
Jerry Reynolds: [00:02:19] put it in the book and send them to the line.
Gary Gerould: [00:02:22] I said,
Jerry Reynolds: [00:02:25] Hey, you know what I mean? You know
Gary Gerould: [00:02:27] people mean well, as you know, I mean,
Jerry Reynolds: [00:02:28] they mean well, and that's, that's the key. They may mean it as a compliment. And I guess the, the, the thing I want to get into a little bit is because I, I mean, obviously your career is what it is. Obviously we, you know, which is fantastic, but I'd like to go back.
Where it all started. I think middle in Michigan, and I might not believe this, but I've actually been to Midland,
Gary Gerould: [00:02:49] is that right?
Jerry Reynolds: [00:02:50] Yeah. There's a junior college in that area. I think Midland, Saginaw and some work
Gary Gerould: [00:02:56] together. There's pride. Northwood Institute was in middle in itself, was a JC. And then there's the couple of others in the Saginaw areas and it's
Jerry Reynolds: [00:03:06] anyways, combined.
But you know, as a junior college coach, we played up there a couple of times. So I have been to middle end and, and I can understand why you don't live there now, but, uh, as a young, a young lab, and I was looking through a biography and I thought it was really kind of interesting where at age 15 it said, you, you went and did some radio work.
At at a Telegraph station or,
Gary Gerould: [00:03:32] well, no, there was a, uh, uh, neighborhood radio station. Uh, I grew up in this, in the small town, in about a mile from my home. My father died when I was very young and my mother was frequently ill and I was at the, I didn't have any siblings and I wouldn't. Kind of forced to live on my own a bit.
And I stayed with our minister's family. I stayed with neighbors at different times when my mom was ill. Uh, but the radio station became, when I was about 13 years old, it became a second home, and I literally went there every day after school, whatever. I'd take care of my paper route. Then I would go to the radio station and I would just hang out and spend the night there.
And so, you know, it's funny, at a very young age, I got a fairly. Good grasp of what small town radio was about. And because I always wanted to be a sports broadcaster or a broadcaster of some type, it was just kind of a natural fit.
Jerry Reynolds: [00:04:27] uh, I always find that so interesting just talking, you know, talking with some other people in the business and it's always, uh, seems so intriguing and consistent that the people who seem to make it are the ones who really made great sacrifices.
You know, started out just basically saying. You know, whatever I can do to, to, to get experience, I'll do.
Gary Gerould: [00:04:48] And at that time, you know, I'm, I'm looking ahead, I'm thinking about going to college. There were very few universities or colleges around the country that had broadcast curriculum. And so I didn't really know that at the time.
But you know, as, as the years have rolled by, it has become so immensely popular and it's become so competitive. And now. Every, not every high school, but many high schools, virtually any junior college, any college and university has some kind of a broadcast program where you can get great hands on experience.
Well, I didn't have that luxury, but that's where, you know, being able to spend all of those days in a small town radio station, and they gave me a show when I was a teenager. It was a once a week type of a deal, but sometimes I could set in with the other, uh, the disc jockeys. Kind of hang out and be part of their show.
And they would give me maybe a 15 minute little window where I could kind of do my own thing. And it was really, it was a terrific opportunity. And I, I look back on it now with a great deal of fondness because it did establish, I think, a pretty good base. And then when I did go to college, I went to a school in Indiana, Anderson Anderson college.
It was college at the time, university now a small school, 1200 students. It was church supported. And, uh. I went there with the full intent that I spend the first couple of years, which everybody told me were pretty basic, no matter where you went to college, and then would transfer to possibly a North Northwestern or a Michigan state that in the Midwest where we're a couple of schools that had broadcast curriculum.
And, uh, I found that I liked the small campus environment. I liked. The atmosphere and I ended up staying and I never made the transfer. But part of that was because I had that kind of practical experience early on. And then in the summers I'd go home and I worked full time at the radio station.
Jerry Reynolds: [00:06:36] Did you do anything for at Anderson college in relation to broadcasting any sporting events or anything like,
Gary Gerould: [00:06:43] no, I was a public address announcer for, for football and work the sidelines with, uh.
Hellaciously long cord and a microphone and kinda did a public address play by play. We kind of filled a play by play void in that sense. And I worked, uh, on the w the school's news Bureau, and I worked with the basketball team and I traveled with them. And, and, uh, in fact, I got a Christmas card just recently here from a fellow remembering how we had this old Ford station wagon that my wife Marlene and I had.
And, uh. I would drive guys and we, you know, there were occasional road trips where we'd go to Virginia or whatever, and I might be an overnight, or I might be driving all night and I'd have four or five players in that station wagon and there'd be like three vehicles and we'd drive from Indiana to wherever it is.
Play a game and then drive back home.
Jerry Reynolds: [00:07:31] Yeah. I ain't gonna say no, that's, I mean, that's very familiar with, you know, when I started in coaching in junior college, assistant coach and, and later head coach and different things. But, you know, often to drive cars and you know, three or 400 miles or play games, like you say, stay four to a room maybe.
And if, and you know, sometimes there's a van or whatever, but, but I mean, yeah, that was. Do you know if that was the life, wasn't it?
Gary Gerould: [00:07:57] Today's athletes would scoff at that. Oh boy, they do. Some wouldn't believe it, you know,
Jerry Reynolds: [00:08:00] do some major scoffing.
Gary Gerould: [00:08:02] There wasn't a, there wasn't funding to handle transportation and to handle meals in one thing or another.
It was really a tight
Jerry Reynolds: [00:08:09] mud, really tight budget, you know, and I met, you know, I was one of those things too at the time. It's like, well, you didn't think about it. I know that's the way it was done. Exactly. And you know, and you're . Really doing something you liked, enjoyed doing, you know, you really didn't think about it.
I've always said you'll looking back, I can't imagine myself enjoying paint locker rooms and cleaning and cleaning the floor for games and things like that. But I've taken all of the units, taking all the uniforms home to my wife to wash, you know, things like that. But that's what you did if you wanted to be hampered job or do a job.
Right. But, you know, to the, uh, you know, just thinking back, you know, I mean. In your career in, and of course I'm not aware of all of it, but I know it just exactly how you, how did you get to Sacramento from Anderson?
Gary Gerould: [00:08:54] Well, a couple of interesting stories along the way along the way, and I don't want to bore you and our audience, but, um, one story when I was Marlene and I were married, where in Michigan?
In my hometown in Midland, and I'm working full time, and it was in the fall was in football season. And. I went to hang out at one of the, a local broadcasts of the football game and football was a pretty big deal. We had a state championship team during the years, those years in Midland, and so the sports director from the radio station is calling the game.
I'm just sitting in the booth. He goes out to have a smoker, a beer or whatever at halftime, and he never came back. And the station manager who was the engineer. He turned to me and he said, I guess you're going to call the second half of this game. Wow. And I, you know, no preparation. I had a scorecard that had names and numbers called the second half of the game and ended up doing the rest of the season.
And the sports director was no longer the sports director. He was terminated a couple of days later, and I, I, to this day, I don't know what happened or what transpired, but it was kind of interesting how that evolved. Well then just a few months later, we're in basketball season. I'm doing all the basketball games on the local radio station, and I get a call from, uh, California.
And it was my father in law who was a minister in Chico. And, uh, he was going into K HSL and Chico radio station one day. Yeah. He did recordings, delete in and lead out of half hour religious programming that according to the FCC, federal communications commission, to maintain your license, you had to have a certain number of hours annually.
And so he would do the lead in on the lead out to these syndicated or religious shows that aired Sunday mornings. In the course of going into the station this one day, the program director at Jessa was a fiery little Lebanese guy's name was Don Baroda, and he came storming out of his office, saw my father in law, said, preacher.
What am I going to do? I just had to fire so and so and I don't know what we're going to do to replace him. And my father in law, who was a large stoic man, said, well, you know, I have a son in law in Michigan who was in radio preacher. Get him on the phone right now. Two weeks later, Marlene and I are driving cross country.
Did she go California?
Jerry Reynolds: [00:11:20] Wow. It was. Had you after that did, I mean, obviously you must have negotiated with emerge or that you knew there's a job there for sure.
Gary Gerould: [00:11:29] Oh yeah. Yeah. They made an offer for a job and so we, you know, came to Chico and I did a little bit of news and did music, uh, tried to want to be involved in doing sports.
But again, you know, a small market station, you did a little bit of everything. And so I get an extra, I believe it was $10 a week to do a high school game. Football or basketball. They also did a couple of junior college, uh, in the Northern California region up around Redding. And, um. I do those games, you get another extra $10, which was huge.
Sure. In those days, you know, to get an extra $20 in your paycheck a week, that was a big deal to a young married couple with a three month old child. So absolutely. It was a, it was interesting the way that kind of evolved. And then while we were there, we were in Chico for two years and they did not have any local news programming at K HSL television.
And they decided that they were going to start a local news show and they came and said, would you be interested in doing sports? Well, I knew absolutely nothing at that time about television. And basically what it was, I would set just almost like this, and I would do a five minute radio sportscast except to a camera five nights a week for which I got another, you know, 10 bucks a night or something like that.
And I began to learn a little bit about studio presence and awareness of cameras. And. Started the kind of by osmosis, learn a little bit about the television business, and then if I jump ahead just a little bit, I get a phone call totally out of the blue. One day, it's a fellow in Sacramento by the name of bill Zimlich, who passed away many, many years ago.
He was an icon in this area, in the broadcast business on the radio side. He was involved at gay HS at KC IRA radio, and he said, there's an opening. He said, you don't know me, and he introduced himself. He said, there's an opening in the sports department of KCRG television, and I think you need to contact so-and-so and inquire about this position.
And I'm a little skeptical. I'm in, well, television Sacramento. Okay, I'll call. Ended up spending a day in Sacramento with Dave Hume, who was the news director at KC RA television. At that time. And they talked a lot of theory in one thing or another, and you know, learning a little bit about me and the give and take process.
And I wasn't, I had never done an audition. And he says, let's go down to the studio. And he says, why don't you prepare? You know, we'll do a three minute sportscast so, you know, I went and got a couple of things and did my usual like radio thing, but to a camera. And we finished that. And Dave Hume walked up to me and he kind of looked at me.
He says, that was really good. Have you been doing a lot of these? And I said, well, sir, that's actually the first time I've ever, ever done one. I'm walking for one. Right? I'm thinking, I don't know if this is good, bad, or am I, you know, telling him I've only done it one time and my slicing my own throat here or what, but at any rate, a couple of weeks later, they offered me a job, and so we ended up moving to a Sacramento
Jerry Reynolds: [00:14:30] And still here
Gary Gerould: [00:14:32] Still here
Jerry Reynolds: [00:14:32] So yeah, no, so, so you did a sports on TV for how many years then here
Gary Gerould: [00:14:40] In Sacramento, let's see. 1965 was when we started in 1977 was when it, when it ended, when it ended, I was an ceremoniously dumped the way they screwed up and they were research. Uh, w was relatively new to the broadcast business at that time, and they had affirm it was based in the Midwest and it was that firm's, uh, decision that they needed a little more fire in pazazz and one thing or another from the sports guy.
And I was the sports guy. And, uh. I had decided somewhere along the line, maybe one of the first times that I ever started to, you know, kind of stand up for myself. I'm not going to try to be something that I am thought, but you're not, you know, it's just, you either like what you have here, but I'm not going to create some phony persona.
To try to satisfy your demands.
Can't be Ron burgundy, Kenya.
Well, probably could have tried, but
Jerry Reynolds: [00:15:37] elected not to. So then after, after the VAT experience, what
Gary Gerould: [00:15:43] were we, what was your next, well then the decision was whether do we try to establish a new identity and a new market. We loved California. Uh, so I started making inquiries.
San Diego, Los Angeles, San Francisco. Um. The credentials from working the 12 years at KC RA were really good because Casey arrays, news operation at that time. Well, when I came in there that I was, there were like 55 people in the news department, which was much larger than any of the news operations in San Francisco or Los Angeles.
And I quickly began to learn that Casey IRA was held in greatest theme, not only by folks in the Western, uh, West coast, but around the country for that matter. And so it was really. I'm thinking Alyssa is really good, you know, so you've got a background here and maybe it'll work out. But then we started thinking more about it.
Do we really want to go to a new market? Try to establish an identity all over again? There were things that we've enjoyed a great deal about Sacramento. I was doing a number of freelance type things and you know, we were eking out an existence and we made the decision to stay. We also made the decision as a family, a son, a daughter, and my wife.
Uh, that we're gonna make this the best thing that's ever happened to us. And as it turned out, it was, it was
Jerry Reynolds: [00:16:56] yes thing.
Gary Gerould: [00:16:57] I mean, there were some tough times in there trying to maintain the faith. Bob Kelly, to his everlasting credit, was one of the owners of Casey IRA television. He and his brother, John and John and I, we didn't mix.
We didn't get along real well. Bob, however, was the thinker and he was looking out for me and he kept telling me about different opportunities and there was an opportunity. He said, there's a new show that NBC is producing. It's a sports anthology show out of New York. It's called sports world. I think you would be tailor made for it.
So for three months, Jerry, every day of every business day. We get up in the morning and I would call Don Oh Meyer's office in New York city at 30 rock and try to get, you know, an audience with him. And of course, every day he was in the meeting, he wasn't available. We'll have him call. Blah, blah, blah. It never happened.
I never left the house until I knew it was beyond five o'clock Eastern time is when it was locked in. Cause I didn't want to miss that phone call if it came because we didn't have the cell phone one thing or another. And eventually there was an opportunity that evolved. It wasn't directly through Don Omar, but it opened the door at NBC and I started doing a handful of events and they somehow got me into kind of the regular mix.
And so in the. This was in the late seventies, early eighties. Uh, I started working on a fairly regular basis as a independent contractor, freelancer for NBC New York.
Jerry Reynolds: [00:18:26] Now then, uh, obviously when the, uh, the Kings situation came, what, 85? Uh. How did you, how did that all come about? I mean,
Gary Gerould: [00:18:38] well, that's a, that's kind of a fascinating story and I hope it's not too lengthy, but I'll try to condense it.
You know, Gregory Dutch van Dusen. Sure. He was involved with the ownership group from Sacramento that owned the Kansas city Kings for the last couple of years of their existence. One day in January in 1985 I get a phone call again out of the blue and it's Dutch van dues, and he says, Gary. I want to play.
What if we've you? And I said, okay. He says, what if the Kansas city Kings were to move to Sacramento? Would you be interested in being the radio play by play voice? Duh. Well, I mean, I was stammering. I was so stunned to hear this. And I said, well, of course. I said, now I'd probably have to have. Some consideration made because of the network obligations I have with NBC.
And he said, that would not be a problem. Let me assure you, I didn't hear anything. A few more weeks go by, I get a phone call from Paul Aaron, who was the general manager at KFB K radio here in Sacramento. You said, Gary, uh, two days from now I'm going to Kansas city. You see the Kings play and I don't remember who they were playing.
Uh, would you like to go along with me and maybe meet some of the people in the organization? And so I'm thinking. There must be something to this business because if Paul Aaron, who I don't know from KFBK radio was going there.
Jerry Reynolds: [00:20:02] And wants to take you,
Gary Gerould: [00:20:03] he wants me to go along and meet some of these people.
I better jump all over this. And I did. And we went to Kansas city. We got there and I met Joe Axelson, who was the general manager, Bob Whitsett, who is his assistant, Julie Phi, who was the media relations director. Kevin Harlan was doing the games on radio that season, the Kansas city Kings. And you know, we had a chance to say hello and meet and greet, watched the ballgame, stayed that night, and then flew back to Sacramento the next day.
Another few weeks go by and then I get a phone call saying, the Kings are coming West. They're going to play two games against the Lakers and the warriors. I want you to go and record those games into a tape recorder and . We want to, you know, listen to your style or whatever. I didn't tell him that it had been 15 years since I had last done basketball.
Uh, but I didn't think that was a problem, but I didn't know the NBA game. I didn't know the personnel and the players that well, I didn't know, you know, the rules and some of the nuances. And I was a little concerned about that. My son Bobby was a teenager at that time. Took him out of school and said, Bob, you're going to be my other set of eyes and you're going to help do some stats.
Of course, he loved the idea. We went to LA, we stayed at the airport Marriott where the Kings were staying. Uh, bill Jones, our longtime friend who was a trainer and absolutely the best, uh, was welcoming and was kind, and he said, be down in the lobby at such and such a time. We'd take a shuttle from here to the forum for tonight's ball game.
So Bobby and I are down there and we'd get on the shuttle and here's. Reggie theists and Eddie Johnson and Larry drew and Mark Olberding and. Otis Thorpe, and they're looking around and I can just see him thinking, who the hell are they? What are they doing here? Why are they going with us? Bill Jones, he's just said, basically, you know, explain the situation.
Trust him, everything's good. They treated us kindly. They were welcoming with open arms. I couldn't have been, couldn't have been more gracious. And what a relief because that was a very intimidating situation to be in.
Jerry Reynolds: [00:22:07] It had to be, I mean, you know, just like say Jack and just imagine, I mean. You know, not really knowing the league, obviously, like that gets so comfortable for you now.
I mean, but I always wonder too, though, those players, you know, as you know, I mean, they represent.
Gary Gerould: [00:22:21] They were just, they were great guys,
Jerry Reynolds: [00:22:23] top of the line. They were guys
Gary Gerould: [00:22:24] all the time and remain Greek. I
Jerry Reynolds: [00:22:26] remain great guys.
Gary Gerould: [00:22:27] And we went, we went to the game. We're up up, up in the nosebleeds, uh, a couple of rows above the legendary chick Hearn and chip loved being up the bird's eye view at the farm guy in the world of understand that.
And so here I am trying to discern who these people are trying to call a game into a tape recorder. Then we fly to Oakland and do the same thing at the war with the warriors. But in Oakland we were much closer to the floor and Bobby's keeping some stats and some numbers for me. And so we do that. And little did I know at the time, that's what Joe Axelson, who was then the general manager, the Kings, he listened to those tapes when the decision had been made and they were re relocating to Sacramento.
And as he drove cross country from Kansas city, he listened to those tapes and he later told me, he said, kid. You were a hell of a lot better than you had any right to be. That would be Joe. Absolutely. I mean, he nailed it, but that's how the whole thing evolved. And it was just, I mean, you remember, you know, when the Kings first came to Sacramento, the absolute.
Fever. It was a fever pitch. People were so star for a professional sports identity in the Kings. We're going to provide that in the initial sellout streak was close to 500 games or whatever, and you know, they had the temporary building that Greg Lucasville put up and it was 333
Jerry Reynolds: [00:23:48] years ago.
Gary Gerould: [00:23:49] Yeah. Postage stamp locker rooms.
Jonesy was taping ankles out in the hallway. You know, the visiting team wasn't always
Jerry Reynolds: [00:23:54] dressed in our hotel. They wouldn't even, because there was enough
Gary Gerould: [00:23:56] room, it wasn't dressing room, it was just, it was a, but atmosphere on that trip that they came out before those two. I think it was that same trip before they did the games in Oakland.
They made a stop in Sacramento. And you may remember this at American river college.
Jerry Reynolds: [00:24:09] Yeah. And they had a workout place
Gary Gerould: [00:24:11] was packed to the rafters, you know, and you know the gym at that time, I don't know, Hilde, 3,200 3,400 something like that. And these guys, this Johnson company, they come out on the floor standing ovation.
People are just, the place is, you couldn't get another body in there and they're just looking around. Why did I like what in the world is going on? But people were so starved for an NBA presence and identity, and that was the beginning. And as, as you know, I mean it just, it just took off from there. You know,
Jerry Reynolds: [00:24:43] I think do that thing and always, cause I was in Kansas city at that time, you know, a small college coach, and of course the team practice at my, so I had an association with them.
But the interesting thing to me was that that in Kansas city, the Kings just really weren't. We're never the big deal. And they had some really good teams, but I always remember cotton Fitzsimmons the late great cotton Fitzsimmons said one time. He said, we're the, I think the fourth franchise in town. And you know, the, Chiefs, the Royals, and Tom Watson is third.
Gary Gerould: [00:25:15] And really all the time it was true. Yeah. You know, God, I love cotton. He kinda growl at those guys. Gimme me boys and let me win it for him. Yeah. He was a piece of
Jerry Reynolds: [00:25:27] wood with a piece of work. I mean, I don't Cod since he was a junior college coach and he was great there, dude. Yeah. I mean, but, uh, yeah, I mean, uh, so, so that got you.
You know, of course, that my first remembrance of you obviously was as the, as the radio voice of the Kings. And I always remember. I think right away when the team came, and you know, I was part of it as a second assistant and everything and, and there'd be called kinds of events around town and, and then you, you would be the, the master of ceremonies at everything, which I'm sure really paid zero
Gary Gerould: [00:26:02] and now that you mentioned, but those were such fun times.
And, and you know, to look back on that and to reflect and think about how the acceptance and then the growth and the fact that. You know, the first, you know, I had no idea how long it would last. I later found out that, you know, they had to, for whatever to meet certain, uh, I don't know if it's licensing or whatever, but they had to open the job up and I was told that there were close to a hundred applicants for the radio broadcast position, including some then announcers in the NBA who wanted to relocate to California.
But. What Greg van Dusen Dutch had said from the beginning was, we want a local identity. And that's why, basically he just said, the job will be yours. And, and I, you know, I just, I had no inkling of how all of that worked. I was just young and dumb and it, and it took place. And here we are now 35 years later,
Jerry Reynolds: [00:26:55] Dutch was right.
And there was right. I mean, and I mean, when you really think about, besides your, your talent, I mean, it didn't make sense. You know, I think, I mean, I always remember. Little unrelated to thing, but I mean, Jim Thomas, uh, wanted me to do some TV and you were a mentor to me and I was just terrible. But, but I'm always, remember what he said.
He said, you know, I want somebody that is, you know, represents the Kings, always has the people.
Gary Gerould: [00:27:23] You know, it was very perceptive
Jerry Reynolds: [00:27:24] and I thought that honestly, you know, you look back, those things do make some sense. You know, not that, like I said, I didn't know what I was doing. I would have wished that they'd give me a little training.
Gary Gerould: [00:27:35] Well, yeah, I had forgotten that the couple of years that I did television and they rant went over on the radio side and we kind, if we swapped roles. And that was really awkward because initially that was done in the middle of the season. Yeah. Yeah. I went, I had to tell grant, I said, grant, I don't know if you're even aware of this, but they want me to do the next game from the television side.
And he, as I recall, was not aware of it, but you know, he handled it professionally and so. That ended up, uh, I worked with Derek Dickey, and of course he ended up having a stroke and passed away, and I believe then it's when you came into the mix from the television side. Yeah, I've actually,
Jerry Reynolds: [00:28:10] I came in, they had me doing some cable games
Gary Gerould: [00:28:14] before,
Jerry Reynolds: [00:28:15] which was really.
Unfair to Derek. And I mean, you know, I didn't, I was just doing what I was told, but I thought, I think they just wanted to get an idea if I could do it or wouldn't be totally disastrous and that sort of thing, but, but anyway, but like you say, the communication was, uh, was, was very poor, I thought, you know, and I mean, it, it, it just really created a lot of.
Well, you know, um, uncomfortableness
Gary Gerould: [00:28:41] for sure. Yeah, it was a bit awkward in a sense, but I, anytime I think about you and I do in television, I always flash on the playoff series against Seattle, uh, my obligations to the network. Sometimes I had to travel and I, I missed the games in Seattle because of some type of an assignment with, yeah.
And I'm. Listening, watching in my hotel room, I think it was in Pennsylvania at the time, and the Kings won the second game of the series to even things at one one before they were coming back to Arco and people were just going bonkers. It was what, 96 76 yeah, against the Sonics. And it was a one versus eight situation.
And so to split the first two on their floor was a big deal. Oh, huge. And people, we came, Jerry and I came out to do our pregame and we're 20 minutes behind. We're doing our stand up in the ovation. And it never diminished. I mean, you could not. We were standing next to each other and you couldn't hear each other.
I've always said it was
Jerry Reynolds: [00:29:38] crazy. That was the, the. Obviously the loudest, most emotional crowd that I've ever been associated with, I read
Gary Gerould: [00:29:45] mean it was magical.
Jerry Reynolds: [00:29:46] It really was. And, and I always remember the game, you know, back in Sacramento, because, you know, Mitch Richmond had just simply beat the Sonics by himself.
Gary Gerould: [00:29:54] He was up there, he was the man,
Jerry Reynolds: [00:29:56] Seattle, you know, just took Peyton out of the game defensively and had 36 or whatever. But anyway, and we were in position to win that next game. That's right. And then he got hurt and they were really ready to take gas. You could see it. I mean, they were some gagging
Gary Gerould: [00:30:10] going on, but when the
Jerry Reynolds: [00:30:12] rock went down, they got new life.
And I mean, it's one of those things you, you know, as you know, when you're associated with the, you can see certain things, you know what's going on there. But, uh, anyway, that, yeah, I think a lot of times people have forgot to you. You know, you, you did do TV for a while and, you know, and I would say that was always look back on it.
Cause that, cause that was my first experience. And you know, like I say, just being totally, you know. I mean, I, I think I knew the game, but I didn't know how to fit in and
Gary Gerould: [00:30:41] stay with good. It went, I mean, it was a natural, and I mean, obviously people know your battery, you've done everything within the organization.
And I've always just thought, good on you, Jerry Reynolds. I mean, I don't know that there's a role that you haven't had a hand in it somewhere along the line. And I, I just, I love the way some, you
Jerry Reynolds: [00:30:58] know, but I mean, it goes back to you, you know, like your background or my background. I mean, to where you, you kinda always said like with a.
Player in the league. I always tell him, find a way to be productive. You know, if you want to have a career, find a way to be productive. And I think, you know, it goes back to my father, I think, and make, you know, reminded me, it's up to you to find a way to, to make your employers want to keep you and things like that.
Fine. You know,
Gary Gerould: [00:31:27] there's, there's more to it. It's the relationships, not only with the employers. But there was a perfect example in the game just last night involving the Kings and the Minnesota Timberwolves and Jim Peterson, a former Kings player. I came down to say hello to him. He was talking with you and he was laughing and joking about the fact that he says, you know, normally players love the assistant coaches and they hated the head coach, but he said with Jerry Reynolds.
And Jerry was the head coach twice with the Kings. And Pete played under you for a period of time, and he said, I loved the head coach and I didn't so much like the assistant remain nameless at
Jerry Reynolds: [00:32:03] this point. Yeah, we'll let that. But yeah, Pete, of course, I get off the subject here, but I always remember the one great Jim Peterson story was in Milwaukee and you'd remembered, uh, Larry Cristo via ACH, and he was.
Getting into it. And Jim was, I think, pension Ayman
Gary Gerould: [00:32:19] was a tough, tough Buckaroo
Jerry Reynolds: [00:32:22] and he turned and he popped Jim right in a snap. And I mean, he was out on his feet, kind of, you know, I ran running out to check on him, you know, and he's, he said, you know, he said, coach, I can still play. I said, Jim, unless you can breathe out your ears, you can't play because his nose, his nose was forced.
I was like, now.
Gary Gerould: [00:32:45] That probably how many
Jerry Reynolds: [00:32:46] guys today would have even, you know, they'd say, well, load management, I've got to have five games off here.
Gary Gerould: [00:32:52] And just the fact that the game continued, I mean, there were, there weren't injection rain. That's just the way the game
Jerry Reynolds: [00:32:57] was, the way the game was. And I always remembered Pete and I could get in about later.
And I said, you know, cause he said, I, you know, I brought it all myself. He didn't, he took blame for it. He, but I said, one thing we both learned is that Larry Christo vac will never happen. To fight again
Gary Gerould: [00:33:11] in the NBA. That's right. You know, that was
Jerry Reynolds: [00:33:13] what yo, it's one the, yeah. It was one of those things that
Gary Gerould: [00:33:18] every
Jerry Reynolds: [00:33:18] player in the league.
Okay. We won't that, that we
Gary Gerould: [00:33:22] him. No,
Jerry Reynolds: [00:33:26] but I mean, you know, you, you go back through through some of the years, you know, I mean, we just doing the Kings. Well, I, I think what I want to ask about, you know, obviously you had a great career in racing. And I know, you know, the ND
Gary Gerould: [00:33:39] stuff was
Jerry Reynolds: [00:33:40] really a big part of your life and men meant a lot to you and, and uh, cause that was a couple of weeks, a year that you would do that.
And of course, I grew up knowing, you know, the indie indie 500 is the greatest thing since sliced
Gary Gerould: [00:33:52] bread. Amazing. A spectacle. And I, and I was blessed to, I worked with the Speedway radio network for four or five years. In the early, mid eighties, uh, my friend Paul Page that I did a lot of events with at NBC, and he was the anchor voice of the Speedway motor racing network.
And, uh. They had, I was told, and I don't know how much credibility, I don't know they were blowing smoke, but they had a Hoosier rule. You had to be from Indiana to be part of the broadcast team, and then they made this exception because here's this California guy who knows the racing world and one thing or another, and I became part of their broadcast team, and that was really special.
Before that, even when working at KC Ray television every year, the month of may. Uh, we would go back, uh, the late cameraman, extraordinary Harry Sweet . We would go back to any, we'd spend a week, we generate about 30 different stories, feature type events, and we, we'd run them during each newscast, the month of may on the opposite side of the country as the Indy 500.
But I was just. Totally infatuated with the magnitude of the event. And it was in its heyday at that time, and you went there for qualifying, and there were over 200,000 people on qualified qualifying
Jerry Reynolds: [00:35:02] show people that nobody, I used to go up there on qualifying, you know, it's just. Unbelievable.
Gary Gerould: [00:35:08] Yeah. And then on race day it was, you know, 352 then sometimes they would say 400,000 people.
Those numbers may have been stretched a bit, but still, and I had an opportunity a couple of times, Jerry, there were so many different things that I got to do during my network experience in so many different venues around the world that were just amazing. But riding in a pace car in front of. 350 to 400,000 people at Indianapolis on my case laps.
When you look back over your shoulder and there's that field of 33 just, you know, we've been back and forth generating a little heat in the tires. They're ready to roar and go it. I mean, the hair stands up on my arms when I think about that, but just an idea of some of the things. Racing was a huge part of what I did on the network level, but I did a bit of everything.
I did everything from Sumo wrestling to NFL football. I didn't realize years of Advil football. A lot of people don't realize, sir. Those were wonderful times and great opportunities. And the best part of it, probably, and I don't want to stray too far here, but it was just, it was the tail end of an era when the networks were absolute Kings.
There wasn't the proliferation of cable out, there weren't podcasts, there wasn't social media, there was none of that, right? It was ABC, NBC, CBS, and usually there were one or two independent stations in any major market, and that was it. So money was no object. And I got in on the tail end of that and the experiences when, you know, we'd go to do events and we'd fly in the Heathrow in London.
A driver and a Bentley was there to pick you up, to take you to your hotel, take you to your venue where you were working the next day, and then take your wife castle hopping or whatever she wanted to do. And the fact that, you know, by contract, I could take Marlene three times a year on any international junket of my choice.
And she, you know, got paid per diem and she was treated. Everything was first-class. But to be able to experience that and now to look back on that, and of course everything is so bottom line conscious now. Sure. And young people, I mean they, they can't believe how network folks, and I was at the bottom of the totem pole, but the way we were treated and it was, it was really special.
Jerry Reynolds: [00:37:28] Yeah. I was going to say, it's really that that ship has sailed, hadn't it, it
Gary Gerould: [00:37:31] a long time ago. Yeah. Yeah.
Jerry Reynolds: [00:37:34] Now you did a. Cart. Uh, you did some
Gary Gerould: [00:37:39] car racing championship. Auto racing teams was an IndyCar version. They ended up with a split that almost killed the sport of IndyCar racing. And I loved India. Guy spent 25 years doing IndyCar racing.
I did virtually every kind of motor sports imaginable. I did motorcycles. I did formula one, I did NASCAR, I did unlimited, uh, hydroplanes
Jerry Reynolds: [00:37:58] erasing and
Gary Gerould: [00:37:59] you know, all that kind of stuff. And I've, I've thoroughly have enjoyed it. Uh, so, you know, I got nearly 40 years of the, of the network experience of being able to do that.
And, uh, it was. Initially it was NBC, then it became ABC. And of course, the Disney company is the parent company for ESPN, ABC, et cetera. So there was a bit of overlap and, um, had some extraordinary times.
Jerry Reynolds: [00:38:23] Yeah. You know, it does seem like, uh, to me at least that. IndyCar racing is coming back a bit.
Gary Gerould: [00:38:29] You know, there's a resurgence now.
Jerry Reynolds: [00:38:32] Resurgence. I mean, I think something, my son and I talk about all the time, I think a part of it is that NASCAR's just dying almost.
Gary Gerould: [00:38:39] You know, they went through a great resurgence and they had, you know, when they were the hottest ticket around and they were the absolute King of motor sports, and they still are.
But it's a diminished demand is
Jerry Reynolds: [00:38:49] growing a lot over
Gary Gerould: [00:38:50] the last five to seven years may because Roger Penske has just become involved as the owner of the Indianapolis motor Speedway. That just happened within the last couple of months. And Roger Penske's name with the Speedway and then owning the IndyCar series.
Uh, I think that we'll see even bigger steps in terms of growth in the future. So I'm very excited about what may be happening there, and that'd
Jerry Reynolds: [00:39:13] be great. Yeah. Just a Hoosier that you're up, like you said, you know, gentlemen, start your engines and
Gary Gerould: [00:39:18] it's
Jerry Reynolds: [00:39:19] ingrained in you. It's part of your heritage. Nothing better than that.
And anyhow, uh, just a, you know, going back, you know, through the years with the Kings, obviously, uh, you know, there's so many. Neat times. Uh, you know, are there anything, any kind of games that just particularly you remember, or anything strange or
Gary Gerould: [00:39:40] unusual? Well, I mean, I think we're all drawn to dramatic conclusions.
Buzzer beating finishes. Yeah. The Mike Bibby shot in the playoffs against the Lakers is certainly very high on the list. Um. I read Kevin's half-court runner with a second ago to beat Memphis. Just people
Jerry Reynolds: [00:39:59] forget that, you know the O J Mayo shot right before the
Gary Gerould: [00:40:02] exact credible. And, and then, you know, you fast forward and you just hear a couple of weeks ago that King's after Russell Westbrook for Houston, drives the length of the floor and rockets have a two point lead, one second to go second inbounds to be Elisa and belly knocks down the 33 35 foot or to win the ballgame at the buzzer.
Those are, those are always memorable, but you know, equally memorable to me, unfortunately are some of the nights. When the Kings got absolutely blasted. Yeah. Losing by 62 to the warriors losing by 58, I think it was the Milwaukee or that first year. First year, yeah. Yeah.
Jerry Reynolds: [00:40:38] 58 and, uh. In Milwaukee, it was, you remember that we
Gary Gerould: [00:40:41] came home to the Christmas party, the old Woodlake, and we're like in the day, the next day, and everybody, you know, we were so down here.
I mean, you just got crushed. I'm a new broadcaster rookie season, you lose by 50 days. I don't know how to handle that. And I
Jerry Reynolds: [00:40:55] was one of those deals too. We'd beat in Chicago the night before.
Gary Gerould: [00:40:59] So then I hadn't forgotten that.
Jerry Reynolds: [00:41:01] Yeah, we beat the bulls and you know, and then not that, you know, coughs, say the, the Milwaukee was very good, but I mean, yeah, but they, but you know, 50 but 58 you know, we weren't quite ready and I don't like you, I had my first year in the league and I was thinking,
Gary Gerould: [00:41:16] you know, we
Jerry Reynolds: [00:41:16] should never get beat 58 but like, you
Gary Gerould: [00:41:18] know, we go to the Christmas party at the Woodlake Joe Axelson puts an arm around me and just said, you know, they're going to be nights like this and you'd have to find a way to accept it.
Move on, move on to the next opportunity. And of course we've come to learn and know that. Then you mentioned Chicago. There was that great, uh, Tyrique rookie year down 35 and the third quarter quarter, and they win the ballgame.
Jerry Reynolds: [00:41:42] That's always my, my standard, you know, cause it goes grants. Sometimes we will be talking about, Oh, that's the game.
I said, grant, always remember,
Gary Gerould: [00:41:52] you know,
Jerry Reynolds: [00:41:53] and I think we found out last year, I think, uh, Brooklyn, uh, we had, we. Twenty-something in the fourth quarter. Right.
Gary Gerould: [00:42:00] We had 27 point lead, late third 25 point lead going into the fourth and got beat by, who was it? D'Angelo Russell just went for 27 in the boy.
Jerry Reynolds: [00:42:08] He thought he was Michael Jordan there.
Gary Gerould: [00:42:09] He was for 12 minutes. Yeah. And he killed us.
Jerry Reynolds: [00:42:12] Yeah. It's just amazing, you know, with the, you know, that type of thing where you see such miraculous things. You know, you remember the, obviously the clay Thompson 37 point corridor.
Gary Gerould: [00:42:23] So to this day. I mean, that's the most amazing thing I've ever witnessed in 35 years in the NBA.
We've seen some stuff, yes. But for a guy to score 37 points and to do it the way he did and never missed a shot, he'd take,
Jerry Reynolds: [00:42:37] even took two dribbles.
Gary Gerould: [00:42:38] He was totally unconscious. I remember one of them, the baskets over here, he's standing here, the ball comes to him, and in the same motion, the shot, he hadn't even looked in the shots off, nothing but net.
He didn't miss a shot in that. 12 minutes. Oh, that was the most astounding thing I've ever seen.
Jerry Reynolds: [00:42:52] Yeah. I was going to say, I
Gary Gerould: [00:42:54] in an NBA record for all times, telling me all times, I can't
Jerry Reynolds: [00:42:57] imagine how I'd be beaten, you know? And I mean, people would say, well, you know, how'd that, I don't know how to happen, but I, I mean, I, I, some of them were tough shots, you know?
Gary Gerould: [00:43:06] No, he's
Jerry Reynolds: [00:43:07] just a simply a great performance. Uh,
Gary Gerould: [00:43:11] now thinking this is the holiday time, but we're, we're recording this podcast. There was, uh, early nineties, the Walt Williams days and the Kings had back to back wins over 50 points, 58 and 56 point back to back wins, which I don't believe has ever been duplicated in the annals of
Jerry Reynolds: [00:43:31] NBA basketball.
Third one in there. Uh, I'm pretty sure Denver. Came in and we beat him like 35
Gary Gerould: [00:43:38] that had forgotten.
Jerry Reynolds: [00:43:39] And having said all that, that team won like 27 28 games.
Gary Gerould: [00:43:43] So I mean, yeah, I guess the point is, you never know. Never on a given night what's likely to happen.
Jerry Reynolds: [00:43:48] Yeah. Oh wait. It's a
Gary Gerould: [00:43:50] blind squirrel finds some nights
Jerry Reynolds: [00:43:51] where I would say some nights though, as you know, that the schedule, when you some games, yes.
And the schedule will lose you some names. I mean, just
Gary Gerould: [00:43:59] always win. Some you don't expect to win and you lose some, you don't expect to look right. I keep reminding myself of that a lot
Jerry Reynolds: [00:44:05] harder, getting
Gary Gerould: [00:44:06] harder and harder, G
Jerry Reynolds: [00:44:08] getting a lot harder. But, but it, but it's true. And I mean, I think for the, you know, just watching the, the, some of the Christmas games where, you know, new Orleans goes into Denver and wins, uh.
Gary Gerould: [00:44:21] You know, warriors took care of the rockets, warriors
Jerry Reynolds: [00:44:23] beat the rockets. I mean, it's, you know, and I think even the weaker teams always, they always have some really good players.
Gary Gerould: [00:44:30] Well, that's what, that's why we love the NBA. Yeah. I mean, it just, and I, you know, people say, well, don't you get tired of it? Well, no, no, I don't.
I don't think you do either. And I know that you're like me and we got league passing on off nights. You're jumping around, you're looking at six different games and honing in on maybe a next opponent. You do a little scouting or you just an entertaining game. It's because we love basketball
Jerry Reynolds: [00:44:54] ball. You know?
I always said, the ball goes
Gary Gerould: [00:44:56] up.
Jerry Reynolds: [00:44:57] I'm still excited.
Gary Gerould: [00:44:58] Somebody asked me the other day said, how many games are you up to now? And I said, well. I, I don't know the exact number, but I know it's over 2,700 and I started thinking about that. That's a lot of basketball. It's a lot of basketball
Jerry Reynolds: [00:45:10] games. I'd have to think that's gotta be the record in the league, I would
Gary Gerould: [00:45:14] think.
I don't know. I don't think so. Well, I'm among those who are active. I mean, chick had chick Hearn had more than that. Ralph Lawler who just retired this year with the Clippers. He had done more games than that. George Blaha in Detroit. Possibly still working. Yeah. But then, yeah, it's a small group. It's a small group and it's a lot of basketball, and unfortunately there've been a lot of losing basketball a little way.
Jerry Reynolds: [00:45:40] Well, you know, the thing I think too, we talk about a little bit is, is. You know, like in, in your job and, and uh, ABO. Like I say, I just Marvel at it because I, I love to, if I can't watch a game, you just listening to you where you, you paint the game, you know? And so I see it and that's great. But having said all that now, so many
Gary Gerould: [00:46:01] places you have to,
Jerry Reynolds: [00:46:02] you're so far up, they've taken a radio and I think it's really terrible to be honest.
But, but I mean S make, cause I know even the TV part we do. You know, we're doing several, uh, up and it just changes
Gary Gerould: [00:46:16] to, it just changes. Totally changes, make it so much harder. The first 25 years, you did every game on the floor in every arena. Now, from radio standpoint, there were only four places of the 30 different teams or four teams where you're still on the floor floor.
Uh, Phoenix, Chicago, Toronto, Detroit. That's it. Wow. And in Toronto and Detroit, you're in a second or a third row and you're peering around people and you've got fans in those front rows that are in your vision. They jump up and that blocks a third of the floor from, so, I mean, there are, yeah, there are some real challenges.
And it's, I know that from my standpoint, I call the game differently now than I used to because I want to be accurate. And I know that there are two or three times, particularly early in the game when you're seeing an opponent for the first time. And trying to discern, okay, is that number that I'm seeing?
An eight, a six, a five, a three. Uh, the Washington wizards, bless their hearts, but they have uniforms with a band running right through the middle of the number. And you cannot tell an eight, a nine, a six, a five, a three. It just drives you crazy as a broadcaster. And one of the things that, I mean, I mean, this is when I get on my soap box and the league doesn't.
I mean, they don't care about radio. Television generates the revenue does network television, not so much even local network television, but at any rate, in the 15 minutes when they come out for their formal warmups, if the league would just mandate and say, you must have the number of your uniform on the sleeve or on the hip of your warmup, that would give.
Broadcasters like myself, an opportunity. Okay. The guy with the dreadlocks is so-and-so. The guy with who's wearing the flashy green shoes tonight is so and so, but now you don't know until they peel off the sweats at starting lineups and you get ready for the opening tip. So it really, and I don't, I don't ever want to sound like I'm whining or complaining cause I'm blessed to have the job that I do.
And I love. That fact, but by the same token, they could make your life as a broadcast is so much easier with a simple little changes.
Jerry Reynolds: [00:48:23] Yeah. And really, I mean, and obviously they should because it helps do the job better, you know? And, and you know, I'm basically, I mean,
Gary Gerould: [00:48:31] like a no brainer.
Jerry Reynolds: [00:48:31] Yeah. But you know, I mean, that's kind of like, I mean, even in television, I think so many places now, or at least on the second row.
And as you said, I mean
Gary Gerould: [00:48:39] more and more places are starting to move television
Jerry Reynolds: [00:48:41] and television back, you know, cause they sell those seats. And I guess I get it to a, to a small degree, but not, I really don't agree with that. I don't think they should, you know, to me it's like, wait a minute here, you're, a lot of your fans
Gary Gerould: [00:48:53] aren't at the game.
Well, you know, I've never known numbers in terms of what kind of an audience we have from a radio standpoint. Uh, but I do know that when the Kings are on the East coast and we're playing at, uh. Travel time, you know, commute time when people are getting out of work and going home and one thing or another.
I know that our audiences are higher. People are listening and checking on the King's how they doing, and you just, you want to, you want to do the job as a professional, you want to do it. Yeah. Correctly. You want to have the energy and the excitement, but it's hard if you're, you have to kind of tone it down because you're trying to identify people and I, that bothers me.
Yeah. No, it just, yeah. That's the nature of the beast. You may have to deal with it.
Jerry Reynolds: [00:49:36] Yeah. Is there any, uh, you know, people always ask me a little bit, some of your favorite cities to, to visit, and your, maybe your least. Favorite cities. Anything come to mind? The along whenever
Gary Gerould: [00:49:48] you're given the league, and I think you stand with me for trading Vancouver from Memphis, Tennessee
Jerry Reynolds: [00:49:54] will never forgive him.
Gary Gerould: [00:49:55] There are wonderful people in Memphis and yes, there's great barbecue in Memphis, but Memphis is not Vancouver, British Columbia. Nope. By any stretch of the imagination. I miss Vancouver, British Columbia allow, I love that city. Beautiful. And uh, at any rate, I, the Canadians, I love going to Toronto. I like Chicago a lot.
I love New York. I'm a theater and arts person. I loved the chance to go to Broadway and squeeze in a show while we were there. Uh, so those are probably my favorites. Um, I'm not a big fan of, you know, Memphis, Milwaukee, Cleveland, again, great people in the organizations and one thing or another, and they, they go out of their way to make you feel at home.
And all of that. But it's, it's just there's a difference between Chicago and Milwaukee, even though they're only 90 miles apart. Yeah,
Jerry Reynolds: [00:50:42] absolutely.
Gary Gerould: [00:50:44] Yeah, those are, those are some that I really like. Boston is a great city to walk in and the culture there, and I enjoy Boston an awful lot.
Jerry Reynolds: [00:50:51] Yeah. I always say when it's nice weather to be walked to Boston common, you know, or New York central park, or you're a Walker and I'm a walk this
Gary Gerould: [00:50:59] man, I really tell you about places,
Jerry Reynolds: [00:51:02] so I.
Okay. Yeah. And really just with New York, uh, you know, there's so many different and unique areas. So I solver for years, I was scared of New York, you know, being a country bumpkin, you know,
Gary Gerould: [00:51:13] I
Jerry Reynolds: [00:51:13] mean, I think I spent three or four years, never left the hotel except to getting the bus to go to the game. And then really the last.
You know, 20 years I've come to truly enjoy it, you know? But, but I like
Gary Gerould: [00:51:25] to say there's a vibrancy in that city. It's a, it's amazing. It's like, it's not like any other, in that sense.
Jerry Reynolds: [00:51:32] clock.
Gary Gerould: [00:51:32] You just exactly
Jerry Reynolds: [00:51:33] walk out of the hotel and probably go half a block and there's a good place to get one. Yeah. You know, it's really, really remarkable.
But you know, you do get all with, I always think about, you know, you look back through the years, so there's so many neat. Players. It's been so much fun to be around. You know, there've been a little difficult ones, but I mean, each year. You know, just had their special guys, you know, in your mind, you know, the red and, uh, Mike Woodson's and Eddie
Gary Gerould: [00:51:59] wasn't a great, when they closed the old arena, the night, they had so many players from various decades back.
And you had a chance to, you know, to say hello to a Dwayne Colesville and the what Williams and, and, and different folks like that, that sometimes we kind of lose track of. But, but over the years, you're right. I mean, and we've been blessed. We, the Kings. Family. His has been touched with so many really good people in.
It's, it's fun to be able to, you know, renew acquaintances and to see these guys and catch up on them and their families.
Jerry Reynolds: [00:52:30] You know, I always tell people a lot of times, I mean, some of the, the nicest guys and most pleasant guy, it may not be the best players. You know, and sometimes the best players may not be the nicest, most pleasant people in all cases.
But you know, it's just the real world. You know that. But you have some, you know, just always say, you know, some delightful people. The peach gel cuts, or the Francisco Garcia is a Jimmy last is that, you know, that. Okay, but, but on a day to day basis, you know, they're just, you
Gary Gerould: [00:52:59] know, they put up the big numbers.
They want the, you know, the marquee players in the NBA. But they were quality, individual
Jerry Reynolds: [00:53:05] individuals. But
Gary Gerould: [00:53:06] yeah.
Jerry Reynolds: [00:53:06] Well, I,
Gary Gerould: [00:53:07] I.
Jerry Reynolds: [00:53:08] Don't know why we could, I know I could probably talk with you for another five hours or so.
Gary Gerould: [00:53:13] We maybe over extended our stay here.
Jerry Reynolds: [00:53:16] Well, I don't know, but it's been, um, obviously, you know, there's so many, we've had so many experiences together to some not so good, so I'm good, you know?
But I always, I just think that's probably one of the things I've. Ms strum traveled with the team. It's just sitting behind you on the plane and, and watching, watching you work while I'm just eating
Gary Gerould: [00:53:34] or
Jerry Reynolds: [00:53:34] whatever. I've always just, I mean, I think it's one of the real treats of, uh, any people that come to the Kings and ed, you know, for the first time and watching the G man talk about theL ultimate pro.
And, and, uh, I wish I could say I was, but, uh, you know,
Gary Gerould: [00:53:52] I wish I had one of those minds that retain things and I didn't have to. Put down, you don't have fingertip information that I can make references to, but I'm always have been a big believer. You do your homework, you'll be prepared and you know, and maybe you're over-prepared and, and I've heard good broadcast who say that, you know, you take a list of different things that you can touch on at various times in the broadcast.
You get into a blowout scenario. And the other night we were in one of those and the Kings were getting thumped, and I'm talking about the experience of going to someplace to eat or one thing or another, but people remembers things like that and frequently comes back and they talk about it. But back to that whole business, you get over prepared and maybe you only use 10 20% of what you have on that list.
But you're, you're ready to hopefully handle any type of scenario. In one of those situations where, Oh, there's a leak in the roof, is that Greg Lucasville up there in the rafters, you know, 43 minutes go by before we resume play. That happened at the old Larco. We had a situation in Philadelphia a couple of years ago when the condensation on the floor play a game, having to postpone the game, but yet we had to fill an hour and a half between the studio and onsite.
Maybe it was closer to two hours. But, uh, you know, you never know when those things are going to
Jerry Reynolds: [00:55:09] happen. And you know, you almost never know the, some of the backstory I was, I mean, off the subject a little bit, but the, uh, the Greg Lucasville game. The water drip and game, you know, and 40 minute delay. And we're playing the, uh, 76.
It played the night before and had a big win or something. But we were up big and, and Charles Barkley was done. He was, you know, he was gassed. He didn't want anymore. And, and, and I remember looking down as two things. I said, well. First of all, Greg's will fall down, go splat, and we're going to lose a loner.
Gary Gerould: [00:55:43] But then after
Jerry Reynolds: [00:55:44] about 20 minutes, I was looking down, I remember looking down at the, at, at the 76 bench, and I said, damn, Barclay is ready to go.
Gary Gerould: [00:55:52] And I seen he were in trouble and we weren't.
Jerry Reynolds: [00:55:55] And we were, you know, but I mean, it's like one of those little
Gary Gerould: [00:55:58] things that
Jerry Reynolds: [00:55:59] you know, that you kinda
Gary Gerould: [00:56:00] had him on the rope,
Jerry Reynolds: [00:56:01] had them on the ropes.
But the reason we had him on the ropes was.
Gary Gerould: [00:56:04] Was the reason that they got off the ropes. Luke mills up there and the climbing around on the rafters with no safety harnesses or anything obvious. And that was, I wasn't at crazy,
Jerry Reynolds: [00:56:13] not heat. Well, he was Greg Lucasville
Gary Gerould: [00:56:15] some experienced. Yes, we have.
Jerry Reynolds: [00:56:17] Yes, we have.
And I'm on that note, I guess we'll, uh. Probably leave it here for now, but I really want to thank you for coming in. It's been just a really enjoyable, a couple old farts
Gary Gerould: [00:56:28] going back
Jerry Reynolds: [00:56:30] over the whole of the good times and the bad times,
Gary Gerould: [00:56:33] and we've had a bunch of them.
Jerry Reynolds: [00:56:34] Yes, we have. So thanks again
Gary Gerould: [00:56:36] to Gary Gerald, a
Jerry Reynolds: [00:56:37] true legend in Sacramento.
Gary Gerould: [00:56:41] We're good.
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Gary Gerould: [00:57:05] Thanks for listening and we'll see you next time.
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