S01E07 - Grant Napear
TV Voice of Sacramento Kings for 32 years
S01E07 - Grant Napear
Grant Napear has been the TV voice of The Sacramento Kings for 32 years and the radio host of "The Grant Napear Show" on KHTK Sports 1140. Two time Emmy Award winner and creator of the trademark phrase "If you don't like that, you don't like NBA basketball!” which has become a household reference among Kings and NBA fans alike. He sits down and chats with Jerry about how he started sports announcing on the playground and the excitement of doing so throughout his career.
Jerry Reynolds: [00:00:00] Welcome to the Jerry Reynold's show from the McCreery's studio and the home of McCreery's furnishings, the finest in Sacramento, and a boy in my, uh, really thrilled.
[00:00:12] I have a, not just a friend, but a great guest to well known to all you. Uh, Sacramento Kings, uh. Sports fans or sports fans just about everywhere in America. Mr. Grant Napier and grant is just great to you spend the time here.
[00:00:25] Grant Napear: [00:00:25] Well, I got to tell you, this is a flashback to 1980 and 89 when we had the Jerry Reynold show at the Cchannel 31 studios.
[00:00:36] Jerry Reynolds: [00:00:36] I used to go in and do a half hour TV show every week, so I hope this ends up better than that, but yeah. But grant was the host and I was a coaching at that time, and I think we had about a year. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The legendary Jerry Reynolds show, but it's
[00:00:48] Grant Napear: [00:00:48] a lot of fun. They will remember when we had Larry Bird come to the studio that day and literally had people lined up on the driveway and which was fascinating to us because I don't know how anyone ever found that out.
[00:00:58] Jerry Reynolds: [00:00:58] Yeah, that was amazing. You know what I mean? Of course. I mean, obviously when you have the these great stars, I mean, it's amazing. Everybody seems to know, but I mean, it's so nice and always appreciated Larry doing that. You know, obviously like. Especially since our pay was zero.
[00:01:14] Grant Napear: [00:01:14] That was something, I mean, seriously, Larry Bird came to the studio that day and did a half hour with us, and you know, that's, that was in Larry's hay day.
[00:01:22] I mean, Lackey bird was in the channel 31 studios and all the people that worked at the station were trying to come in to, you know, meet Larry. Uh, it was great. It was, it was fascinating to have him in the studio, but we really had a lot of fun doing that show. I mean, it was a low production show. Oh yeah.
[00:01:38] We look back on it now and we're like, well, we can't, I can't believe that we put ourselves in that type of an environment.
[00:01:44] Jerry Reynolds: [00:01:44] But it's interesting too, because I think later that evening, you know, he came out to the house and, and of course we had a few beers or a whole lot of beers
[00:01:53] Grant Napear: [00:01:53] and,
[00:01:53] Jerry Reynolds: [00:01:53] and uh, you know, then the next night he goes out and just.
[00:01:56] Kicked my brother's house. So, yeah. But anyway, that's the way that that kind of goes. But, uh, you know, for eight though, the first question I gotta ask you, I was looking at Wikipedia and trying to get some info. Your middle initial is, Oh, and I does that stand for. Or, well,
[00:02:14] Grant Napear: [00:02:14] my middle initial is H don't believe anything you read on a Wikipedia.
[00:02:17] My middle name is Harrington, uh, named after the minister of a, my parents church. And so, uh, my middle name is Harrington. I don't know where the old came from, so maybe it's for, Oh, boy.
[00:02:28] Jerry Reynolds: [00:02:28] Oh boy. Well, yeah, that could be by, I was going to say, I'm just wondering about how I saw that and I didn't, I didn't make a lot of sense and
[00:02:34] Grant Napear: [00:02:34] know
[00:02:35] Jerry Reynolds: [00:02:35] you, you know, you mentioned you, you, you know, your parents.
[00:02:37] I mean, I was lucky enough to get . To spend time with your father. Really enjoyed him, you know, and I mean, such a great sports fan. And I know going back to your childhood, obviously that had a real impact on you growing up, you know?
[00:02:50] Grant Napear: [00:02:50] Oh gosh. I mean, growing up as a kid on long Island, uh, my dad. Uh, had season tickets for both the giants and the jets.
[00:02:57] And really at the age of three, my dad took me to my first ever NFL game at Yankee stadium, uh, to watch the giants play cause they played at Yankee stadium for all those years before they moved into the new metal lands back in 76. But, so I started going to NFL games, uh, when I was three years old. And then literally every single Sunday growing up.
[00:03:18] Without fail. I was at an NFL game. I was either Yankee stadium watching the giants or Shea stadium watching Joe name it, then the jets, and I loved the giants and still do to this day, as you know, and hated the jets, and I still do to this day. And it was funny because . All of the fans at chase stadium used to kid my dad, why are you bringing him to these games?
[00:03:37] Because one week I'd be rooting for the Patriots. Two weeks later, I'd be rooting for the colds, but I'd be rooting for the bills because the jets brands are like, who
[00:03:45] Jerry Reynolds: [00:03:45] is this punk paint? Mr never had done that little league,
[00:03:48] Grant Napear: [00:03:48] that little prick home, but you know, the giants were my dad's favorite team and.
[00:03:54] Uh, so growing up we, uh, it was fascinating. And w w our church was in Manhattan, which took an hour to get there. But I remember as a kid always being pulled out a Sunday school early because we had to get on the subway to go to either Shea stadium or at the Yankee stadium to go to an NFL game. And then in the winter months, uh, my dad would very often take us to a Rangers game, a matinee, cause the Rangers always played, it seemed like on Sunday afternoon.
[00:04:22] So we'd go to a lot of hockey games, you know, growing up. As a kid, Joe, you couldn't get tickets to see the next, they were
[00:04:26] Jerry Reynolds: [00:04:26] too good. No, I was going to say that was the time when the Knicks were,
[00:04:29] Grant Napear: [00:04:29] we're all going to get tickets, you
[00:04:30] Jerry Reynolds: [00:04:30] know, honestly, you know, I'm, I like to say both of us. Uh, that's one thing.
[00:04:35] One thing about being all weekend. Remember the next one. They were truly great.
[00:04:39] Grant Napear: [00:04:39] Yeah. So, I mean, we literally, as a kid, I was at a game all the time. And in addition to playing it. All kinds of sports. And my dad never missed one of my games. He had his own business. He was an insurance broker in New York city.
[00:04:51] And I'll never forget playing, you know, even in junior high school, in high school, you know, games would start right at four o'clock and at three 55 there would be my dad walking across the field in a suit just getting off the long alleyway road. And, and I really mean this. I don't ever remember playing a game in either junior high school or high school without my dad and attendance home away.
[00:05:13] Whether I was playing high school football who are high school lacrosse, which was I really good at. My dad was at every single game as a grown up. Never missed a game.
[00:05:22] Jerry Reynolds: [00:05:22] Yeah. I think my mom. Pretty much had the same experience. You know, even, uh, my, the editor when he could, I mean, there's, there's some work related things where he couldn't get off
[00:05:30] Grant Napear: [00:05:30] yo as a labor
[00:05:31] Jerry Reynolds: [00:05:31] and that sort of thing, but he'd always be there.
[00:05:33] My mom would always say always, but he'd always go sit in the visitor's side and, uh, you know, and then try to say, well, what that, that guy that. Don't you think he's pretty good, but he'd never tell him, but he'd never tell me. You know, he'd always, that's too much. He didn't say why, but yeah, he'd always praise all the other guys, you know?
[00:05:52] But, but that's,
[00:05:53] Grant Napear: [00:05:53] you know, that was, yeah. But, you know, again, growing up, uh, outside of New York, and we lived really in an area where you wouldn't know, New York city was anywhere near there. I mean, you know, we were very. Suburban
[00:06:05] Jerry Reynolds: [00:06:05] Syosset,
[00:06:06] Grant Napear: [00:06:06] Syosset New York, you know, with beautiful trees and lots of land. And, uh, I mean, where I live, we didn't have a lot of land.
[00:06:13] We, well, it was a half acre lot, but the point is . It was great because you were far enough away from the city where you didn't know the city was there, and yet you were close enough where you could be in the city within an hour. And with that comes all of your sports and all your, you know, every sport.
[00:06:28] We used to go to the Millrose games, which was the track and field event every year at Madison square garden. I mean, we were at everything. We were at everything.
[00:06:35] Jerry Reynolds: [00:06:35] Yeah. I always, uh, I always remember some trips to long Island and I recruited footsie Walker from Southampton
[00:06:40] Grant Napear: [00:06:40] about that, huh? Yeah. You got a bad area to go to, a beautiful area,
[00:06:43] Jerry Reynolds: [00:06:43] you know, now footsie wasn't in one of the exclusive parts of it, but, but, uh, you know, that, and then I always remember going to long Island Lutheran, a several
[00:06:51] Grant Napear: [00:06:51] Shuri Winnington went there.
[00:06:53] Jerry Reynolds: [00:06:53] Yeah. You know, they, they always had
[00:06:54] Grant Napear: [00:06:54] some top, that was five minutes from where I grew up. Yeah. So you get an idea of where I grew up. I,
[00:06:59] Jerry Reynolds: [00:06:59] I thought it was a great area. Yes. You know, really. And I mean, like you say, I didn't the, at that time, the city scared me still. You know, I
[00:07:08] Grant Napear: [00:07:08] touched, it literally
[00:07:09] Jerry Reynolds: [00:07:09] took me 10 years in the NBA for, I think the
[00:07:12] Grant Napear: [00:07:12] French hotel trying to survive in New York city.
[00:07:14] Jerry Reynolds: [00:07:14] It was, I mean, I won't. Nah, that, you know, I, I swear I was, uh, probably in the league 10 years before I had any comfort zone getting out of the hotels and stuff. I'd just assumed I'd get mugged. Uh, but as you know, to the last 20 years, I just enjoyed the heck out of it. You know, I couldn't wait to get to New York.
[00:07:33] I just loved to walk there, the different neighborhoods. That's great. I mean, you know, as you know, it's always, yeah, you want a sandwich at two o'clock in the morning. You
[00:07:40] Grant Napear: [00:07:40] don't have to walk far.
[00:07:41] Jerry Reynolds: [00:07:41] You don't have to walk far after your door and turn left. There it is. You know that type stuff. But now when you were in high school, did you play any other sports besides, I know you got a lacrosse scholarship, your mother,
[00:07:52] Grant Napear: [00:07:52] did you play other sports?
[00:07:53] I played football. I was a, a starting defensive lineman, a high school football, and I stopped playing basketball. In ninth grade because I wanted to concentrate more on lacrosse cause it was my best sport, but I didn't want to give up football. So played high school football and high school lacrosse and just, you know, I reflect back to those days.
[00:08:17] I think everyone would say they had a great time in high school. It was great. We had really good teams, but just the participation and I was always, my dad always brought up because you play sports cause you want to have fun, not because you want to make a ton of money and you want to do this. I was fortunate enough to get a lacrosse scholarship, but I was never brought up on the way.
[00:08:35] I think a lot of our kids are being brought up today. Where you have to choose one sport and these parents have these illusions of grand jury that you're going to be professional athletes and make all that money. My dad always said, Hey, you're playing because it's fun to play and you're not going to be a professional athlete and you're playing because it's fun to play sports and the enjoyment of sports.
[00:08:55] It was never stressed on me for any other reason that we were playing sports, and I think unfortunately there were too many youth now that have the the wrong. They're, they're, they're, they're being taught. False. And I'm not saying don't chase your dreams, but you know this. Yeah. I mean, for, you know, very, very, very, very few of our athletes that we see on the high school field ever go on to play division one college and, and even less than echo on the play and the
[00:09:24] Jerry Reynolds: [00:09:24] pros.
[00:09:25] And there's so many of the great stars have been late. Developers weren't even outstanding until late in their high school career or even in high school.
[00:09:32] Grant Napear: [00:09:32] Hey, I'll tell you this story. I was fortunate enough two years ago to be at a friend's birthday party, and he put me and my wife at a table with Roger Staubach and Roger Starbuck's wife, and in Roger Staubach, who of course everyone knows one of the great quarterbacks to ever play hall of fame, went to the Naval Academy, served our country, but I got talking to Roger Staubach.
[00:09:54] And I asked Roger, I, I, we, we were there for three or four hours. So we had a lot of things to talk about. And I said, I'm just curious, Roger, when you were playing for the Cowboys, was it a big deal to go play at Yankee stadium? And he said, Oh, for me it was a great deal because baseball was my first love.
[00:10:12] And he said, I played baseball at the Naval Academy too. And he said, I didn't even start playing football until, I think he said his junior year in high school. And I just thought that was fascinating that, you know, Roger Staubach, his first love was baseball, and yet he picked up football at that late stage in his career.
[00:10:30] I mean, even on the Kings, Dwayne Deadman didn't start playing basketball really until he was late in high school because his mother would not allow him because of their religious beliefs. And it's, you hear stories about that all the time. I just, it bothers me and it really does bother me that our children.
[00:10:49] Are almost being forced to choose a sport. To play year round at such an early age
[00:10:56] Jerry Reynolds: [00:10:56] at junior high school or something like that. 1314 they're told you got to pick a travel teams, you know, and I was like say a so many guys always remember Tim Dunkin really was a swimmer until like his senior year in high school was recruited on a whim by wake forest.
[00:11:10] And. Of course the rest is history. Yeah. You know, that's sort of thing is airline chemo. Olijahwaun really just started playing basketball when he got to Houston, I think pretty much other than being a seven footer, you know. Uh, but I always say to, you know, the, uh, I really, I think just pretty much most of the professional athletes would tell you that, you know, it really helps to play a lot of sports.
[00:11:32] You know, I'm absolutely, you know, I, I, I still think one of the things I'm most proud of is I still have the. The record for that. They've told me in Springs Valley high school and for 12 varsity ladders.
[00:11:44] Grant Napear: [00:11:44] Wow. That's pretty impressive.
[00:11:46] Jerry Reynolds: [00:11:46] Yeah. I always tell, I always tell bird and he said, well, it's probably easy to get them back.
[00:11:49] Then. I said, well, it was pretty impressive. That's what I mean, you know? But the idea was you just. Like you said, you just played, you know, baseball, see game, you played a track, you know, you played that. I mean now always, certainly played basketball. He kind of year round cause it was Indiana, you know? Sure.
[00:12:08] Of course you'd play baseball and then maybe an evening go to the courts and. Play basketball.
[00:12:13] Grant Napear: [00:12:13] Well, it's also, no, there's more technology in our data and our science saying that, you know, uh, our young youth that play the same sport all year round are more susceptible to certain injuries because when you play different sports, you're using different muscles and different movements with your body and look at all of the young
[00:12:30] Injuries that we're seeing in even in the NBA, and we're now seeing the, this degeneration that's coming into the NBA had been playing year-round basketball for a long time. The AAU, the travel circuits, and now they're saying, gee, there's a correlation between our young athletes starting to break down and getting these serious injuries and playing a certain sport year round.
[00:12:48] And I, I gotta tell you, that makes a lot of sense to me.
[00:12:50] Jerry Reynolds: [00:12:50] It does to me too. I really think, you know, and I, and then I think you see even the burnout. Part of it. Yeah. I always remember, and you know, Billy Owens was a, sure, a great high school player, the number one high school player, and kind of a pushed, I think by a, a really demanding father and a really a nice, nice young man.
[00:13:07] I mean, but, but he never had the career he should have. He just didn't really, I mean, for want of a better term, I always thought he was just kind of a. I've had enough, you know, I'm planning.
[00:13:17] Grant Napear: [00:13:17] Yeah. He didn't have the drive that you would expect. I mean, if you would, you know, the saying is, boy, if you could take this guy's head and put it on this guy's body, you would have the greatest player of all time.
[00:13:26] Yeah. You know, if you could have taken any number of players that you coach back then and put their drive and their desire in the Billy Owens. Yeah. You would have had one of the great players of his
[00:13:36] Jerry Reynolds: [00:13:36] generation he raised, that's exactly right. I mean, you don't have the, but that's the way it is. And probably every profession, you know, you just, you know, you'd like every player to like today, like to play as hard as Rashawn Holmes, but, uh, he doesn't handle the creator, doesn't make a lot of them.
[00:13:52] You know, that's the old bill Russell statement, you know, when I worked for him and he'd always say, well, God just makes a, you know, four or five like us,
[00:13:59] Grant Napear: [00:13:59] ever,
[00:14:00] Jerry Reynolds: [00:14:00] ever decade or two, you know. So now when the. Now when you say during your high school career and all, when did you start or in high school did you start thinking about radio, TV?
[00:14:12] Oh, it's a career.
[00:14:13] Grant Napear: [00:14:13] I started thinking of radio and TV when I was really in second or third grade, believe it or not. Uh, I used to, first of all, I got into this business because I got absolutely infatuated by listening to more of Albert do the Rangers and the Nixon radio. And it would be where I would listen to those games all the time.
[00:14:30] And really on the playground at split rock school. When I was in second, third, fourth grade, I live right around the corner from the school. So at lunchtime I was allowed to leave and go home for lunch, but the kids that took the bus had to stay there, obviously. And so I would run home and I'd make a grilled cheese sandwich real quick, and I'd run back and reserve the basketball court outside so that when the bell rung for the kids to get out of lunch, we had the court, and I would literally.
[00:14:54] Announce the game and play it at the same time. Oh geez. Yeah. I would literally play and announce at the same time, and it evolved to a point where when I went to junior high school, when whenever we had a class assembly that ran early before the bell rung, that you had to sit there in the big assembly room and the students would all start chanting my name and I would have to literally walk up on the stage.
[00:15:20] And do a mock play by play of arrangers or a Knicks game. Oh, geez. Yeah. And I would literally add commercials. I mean, I would literally be doing the games and go timeout Nixon. Now there's from Ford and I would do a Ford commercial or, and, and I, I did that. And then fortunately, uh, my high school had a radio station that was run by the students, but I couldn't do that much because I was playing football and playing lacrosse.
[00:15:43] But I did a little bit, but I always tell students. And if there's anyone that's watching this that wants to be in broadcasting, you know the great thing about what I do, you don't have to have a job to practice. And I used to practice all the time on my own. And again, we grew up in an era with no internet and very few options on TV.
[00:16:02] So matter of fact, when I was growing up, a lot of times the Nick's weren't even on live TV. You'd have to watch it on tape delay. The NBA finals weren't even shown live, right? Yeah. So I used to turn the volume down on the TV, or I would sit in my room and make believe I was on TV and I'd have a camera in front of me.
[00:16:18] I'd make believe there was a camera in front of me and I would just try to talk about a story. So let's say I wanted to talk about last night's nix game. I would in my mind get three or four points. I would make believe there was a camera in my room and I would try to just do a sports cast in my room.
[00:16:32] So I was practicing because it's really incredible how everyone gets their start in this business. And before you even ask me, I'll just lead you into that. I was blessed to go to bowling green to play lacrosse, but they had a really good, and I didn't even know when I was recruited for lacrosse, I'll never forget this.
[00:16:48] I went out my senior year in high school. And I was out there in February. And bowling green without me even knowing it had a division one powerhouse hockey team, and you know how much I love, and they were playing Ohio state and hockey on Friday and Saturday night. And I was put up at a fraternity house with all the lacrosse players for my visit there, which wasn't bad, by the way.
[00:17:11] And we went to the hockey game on both Friday and Saturday night. And half the players on that team ended up playing in the national hockey league. But we, before I got on the plane, the fly back to New York, I had already made my decision that that's where I was going to go to school. I had such a great time and just loved everything about it and there was no pro lacrosse and I knew I could go there and play as a freshman.
[00:17:33] And you know, we were actually pretty good. But in terms of what they had with radio. It was great for me cause I went and got really involved in the campus station my freshman year. And because I had had so much experience, I was able to start doing division one, some division one football and division one basketball.
[00:17:50] And then my junior year, uh, I was able to get an internship at the station that was a commercial station in town that did all the hockey, all the basketball and the football at bowling green. But they weren't the official station for football, but they still did it. So my junior year I had, they gave me my own sports show to produce twice a week, 15 minutes.
[00:18:11] I would edit it. I would, you know what's nice today with digital, you'd get a little razor blade and you'd have the audio tape and you would put it in this little thing and you'd splice it. You'd get a little piece of scotch tape, and that's how you would edit the 15 minute program that I did. And it's always very time consuming.
[00:18:26] But I also did a lot of the bowling green hockey back then, and. I'll never forget you. We'd get on a bus on Thursday and we would drive 10 hours, let's say, to Northern Michigan, the upper peninsula, and you know, before you go, I'd have to make sure that all the equipment that I needed, you know, you had to check and double check because once you're up there, you're, you know, you have what's in your little case is what you're going to have to work with.
[00:18:48] So I would double check. I, you know, the last thing you want to do is get up to do a broadcast and not have the right equipment. And so I would literally go up to the arena. Set up all my equipment and then I would be a one man band. I would do the play by play. I would do the interviews in between the periods that I would record ahead of time, so I might interview one of the star players or the coach.
[00:19:12] I would do the whole pregame show. I would do the first, second, third period. All of the. Uh, in between period stuff and then the post game show. And I would do that on Friday and Saturday night. And so I got great experience in college doing hockey. And really, I don't really even think I've ever said this before.
[00:19:28] My dream coming out of college was to be a pro hockey announcer. I didn't even think about doing basketball though. I'd used to do a lot of basketball. My first love. And you know how much I love hockey?
[00:19:38] Jerry Reynolds: [00:19:38] Oh yeah, no, I was going to say that doesn't surprise me a lot
[00:19:41] Grant Napear: [00:19:41] and, but, but, but, and I always tell students this as well.
[00:19:44] Don't ever limit yourself. If you want to be a baseball announcer, that's great, but if someone comes by and says, Hey, they need someone who a announce your football, or you better be able to jump on that.
[00:19:55] Jerry Reynolds: [00:19:55] Yeah. Don't you think? I mean, as a professional in your field, I mean, you have to have.
[00:20:00] Grant Napear: [00:20:00] Well, you, you really do the ability
[00:20:02] Jerry Reynolds: [00:20:02] to maintain.
[00:20:03] Grant Napear: [00:20:03] Well, I've been blessed because, you know, I did the Raiders on TV for five years in the preseason, uh, back in the mid nineties. I filled in for Randy Hawn doing sharks games, which was, so I fulfilled my dream. I've done NHL games during the regular season, but, you know, we always talk about, okay, you have to be prepared when you get your opportunity in this business.
[00:20:21] And it does help to know people. And my dad's mixed doubles tennis partner that they played in this outdoor club every summer in New York. Uh, his name was Vic piano. And he, my dad's mixed doubles partner was his wife, and he owned what they call the ms Lou sports network, which was really basically ESPN before ESPN became, yeah, I remember what it is.
[00:20:41] and they did a lot of the bowl games. There's a lot of the college football games, and after my senior year in high school, I was working still in bowling green and Vic piano would always said to my dad, Hey, if there's anything we can do for grant, let me know. Make a long story short. Bowling green made it to the California bowl and ms Lou is doing a game so.
[00:21:01] I call up mr piano when he gives me the name of bill shoeing, the executive producer. Now, I was doing bowling green football, but as I said, we weren't the official station. We were not allowed to do the California bowl on radio because the official station could do it. You couldn't do it both. So anyway, I call bill Schwinn.
[00:21:18] Never forget the conversation. I go, mr Schwinn. Hi, my name is grant Napier. I was giving you a number by, uh, by mr piano. And he said, yeah, what can I do for you? And I explained that, you know, I, with bowling green doing the games, they're going to be in the California bowl. And he said, okay, well, we're having a production meeting at this hotel at six o'clock on Friday.
[00:21:35] Uh, just come to the production meeting. So thank goodness for my dad. He paid for my airline ticket to go to, uh, California. I had never been to California. Uh, flew through San Francisco into Fresno. And so anyway, I show up to this meeting on a Friday night, and there's probably 10 people in there, and I'm just sitting down.
[00:21:57] No one even asked me who I was or anything. I'm just sitting there and I'm listening to everything. So we get done with the meeting and bill Schwinn goes, now, I'm sorry, who are you again? And I said, I'm grant Napier. He goes, Oh, yeah, yeah. I talked to you on the phone. He goes, so what is it do you want to do?
[00:22:10] I said, well, I just, you know, anything that you might need? And he said, well, he goes, you know, this is national TV. I can't just let anybody on TV, but I do need someone to do the halftime. He said, how about you come to the stadium three hours tomorrow before the game and I'll give you an audition and if the audition works out, you can do the halftime show.
[00:22:29] I go, great. And I said, I completely understand. I said, I said, I understand how it works if I'm not good enough. No problem. I understand. So I get to the stadium three hours before the game starts, and they had all these technical problems and I couldn't do an audition. So now I'm in the TV booth hanging out in the back first quarter begins.
[00:22:50] Second quarter begins and I said to the stage manager, I said, Hey, can you ask, uh, a bill for me if I'm going to be doing the halftime or not, because I'd like to prepare something. Four minutes left to go in the first half. She goes, okay, bill said you're doing the halftime. Oh, geez.
[00:23:09] Jerry Reynolds: [00:23:09] Okay. Yeah.
[00:23:10] Grant Napear: [00:23:10] And he, she, she says, you're going to interview the commissioner of the conference and you're going to do some stats on highlights.
[00:23:16] No. I've never been on TV before. This is national TV. Never been on TV before, but all my life. I've been practicing as if I were on TV. Now, was I nervous? Yeah, of course. I was nervous, but I wasn't nervous because I thought I might fail. I was just nervous with butterflies. Probably like you were coaching big games.
[00:23:34] You can get the adrenaline, but not because you aren't prepared. Then you might get beat, but you're prepared. You might, you might get beat because you lost to a better team, but it's not for lack of preparation. Right, and I kid you not. I'm sitting there in, in, in Fresno, California at the California bowl, and I did.
[00:23:52] The, the interview, we go to commercial, I come back, I do a couple of highlights and I felt like it went well. So after the game, when I'm walking out of the stadium, um, happened to be walking by the TV truck and bill Schwinn just happens to come out and he goes, go ahead. He goes, Oh my God. And he goes, you have no idea how nervous we were all in that truck, but you did a great job and we wish you the best of luck and blah, blah, blah.
[00:24:14] So I get back to bowling green, and about three or four months later, I run into a sports director at the ABC TV station in Toledo, who I used to see all the time because bowling green and Toledo was 20 minutes apart. And he comes up to me and he goes, I didn't know you did TV. I said. I didn't know I did TV
[00:24:31] Jerry Reynolds: [00:24:31] and he
[00:24:31] Grant Napear: [00:24:31] said, well, listen, I got six weeks vacation this summer and our weekend guy is filling it for me and we need someone to fill it on the weekends.
[00:24:37] Would you be interested in coming up and doing an audition? I said, yeah, I would love to. I'll never forget it because it was, my birthday was June 18th, 1983 and I went up to the TV station and the news director meets me and he goes, okay. He goes, just write a couple of scripts and then I'll meet you in the studio.
[00:24:55] Well, I don't write anything, you know me? Yeah. I don't ever have anything written down. All my commercials, everything. I ad libbed and I'm like, wow, okay. So I write this some scripts. He walks me into the studio and I'm, I'm overwhelmed here. There's all these cameras and lights and I'm in a real live TV studio.
[00:25:15] And he goes, okay, here's the teleprompter. And he goes, you operate the teleprompter with a foot pedal right down. It's like a sewing machine. And I'm like, Oh my God. Now I'm so nervous. I don't normally read off scripts. And so I do the audition and the news director goes, would you like to do it again? And I said, well, you don't get a chance to do it again when you're alive on TV, do you?
[00:25:35] And he said, no. And so I get a call three days later. They said, Hey, they, they, you're good. We'd like you to fill in on the weekends. $5 an hour. I'm like, perfect. I don't need any money. You know? But then I had been working in bowling green at this radio station after I graduated and the station was sold and it became a Spanish format.
[00:25:57] So right during this time, I moved back to long Island because I didn't have a job. And Mike Ray guy, who was the weekend sports anchor. Would call me up sometimes on Thursday night and would go, Hey, you know what, I'm taking the weekend off. Can you work this weekend? I'd say, yeah, and I'd get my car and I drive 10 hours, stay at my buddy's house in bowling green, do a five minute sports cast on Saturday, a five minute sports cast on Sunday and drive home
[00:26:22] Jerry Reynolds: [00:26:22] and drive 10 hours home.
[00:26:23] Grant Napear: [00:26:23] Yep. For five bucks an hour. And I did that for about
[00:26:27] Jerry Reynolds: [00:26:27] kids out there that
[00:26:30] Grant Napear: [00:26:30] wanted to
[00:26:30] Jerry Reynolds: [00:26:30] play ball play and do sports broadcasting. Think about
[00:26:34] Grant Napear: [00:26:34] that. It was great. And you used to, you learn how to work the TV camera. So I would go out and shoot all the highlights. I'd be at the Toledo mud hens game. And it was fascinating because when I was in Toledo, that team in Toledo went on to win the world series with the, with the twins.
[00:26:47] Kirby Puckett was on the team, Carrie guy, Eddie, Tim tuffle, the whole team. And you know, they were the, the AAA of the twins and they went on to win the world series. So, but one of the neatest things that ever happened to me. Was I went up to tiger stadium and this time I brought a camera, a photographer with me, and the tigers had gotten off to this great start of 35 and five and they were on Sunday, the Sunday game of the week, and I'll never forget it.
[00:27:10] We go up to tiger stadium and I walk in with my camera man at the end of the game to get some interviews and I interview. I walked by Spokey Anderson's office and it's just packed. I couldn't even get in there. So I go and I get an interview with Alan Trammell. I get an interview with Lance Parrish, a couple of the players on the tigers, but I really need to get Sparky.
[00:27:28] So then when I get done with those interviews, I walk by and nobody's in Sparky Anderson's office and I knock on the door and I go, uh, I go, Spokey would it be possible to get a quick word? He goes, Hey, come on in. And he goes, I don't, I don't ever, we call you seeing you before. I said, well, you know, I'm just working part time.
[00:27:44] I went to college in bowling green and, um, and he goes, he goes, listen, just sit down. He goes, and he didn't have a shirt on. He said, would you like me to put a shirt on and go, no, no, it's okay. My camera man was, shoot you from the neck up. He goes, no, no, no. Let me put a shirt on. And so I did the interview with Sparky and I kid you not, he sat me down for 10 minutes.
[00:28:03] And was asking me questions about where I was from. You know, this is like manager of the tigers. That's off to a 35 and five story that just did all of these interviews with all of these people. It was on the game of the week. Joe Garagiola and Tony Kubek were doing the game, you know, and I'm like, I couldn't believe that.
[00:28:18] How kind he was. And so I had some fascinating experiences. When I was working to get my resume tape up and then I, and again, if I'm running on and on telling me to shut up, but I was living that summer. The next summer with George McPhee, who won the Hobey Baker award in, which is the equivalent of the Heisman in college hockey.
[00:28:41] And George was, to this day, one of my best friends, he'd went and played with the Rangers, which you know, for me right out of college. And then he became the general manager of the Washington capitals, and now he's the general manager of the Vegas nights. But George and I lived in the summer, and I would help him train a while.
[00:28:58] I was trying to get a full time job, and George came in one afternoon and I had, I had these Kroger grocery bags with all my clothes in him. He goes, Napes, what's going on? I said, I just got a job. I'm leaving. And I, I literally did. I had just, I had sent all my tapes out
[00:29:16] Jerry Reynolds: [00:29:16] and that was, that was just an indicator.
[00:29:17] Yeah. When you later,
[00:29:19] Grant Napear: [00:29:19] I'll never forget Dick Westbrook, uh, gave me a call. And I didn't even tell George about this. He gave me a call and uh, excuse me, I called him cause I used to send 30 or 40 tapes out every two or three months. And then I would follow up with a phone call and I called w a and D indicator.
[00:29:34] It was on my list. The receptionist. Yeah. I said, yeah, Dick Westbrook, please. And he says, Dick Westbrook here. I said, mr Westbrook, my name is grant Napier. And he goes, Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He goes, I just saw your tape this morning. I literally just had my sports guy resigned. He goes, I like your work. Can you come out for an interview?
[00:29:53] It was like a five hour drive. It went out for an interview. I came back and then literally. They called me three or four days later and offered me the job over the phone and that's when I packed. I had nothing. I had my little Subaru hatchback and I had literally, I'm not kidding you all my belongings and little grocery bags, and George comes back and he goes, Napes, what are you doing?
[00:30:09] I go, George, man, I'm leaving, man. I just got a job and I literally hung out with George for like two hours and got my car and started my life in Decatur,
[00:30:16] Jerry Reynolds: [00:30:16] Illinois. Let me ask you, when you first got to the Decatur, what was your first impression? Obviously you never really been. That far off
[00:30:22] Grant Napear: [00:30:22] and you'd already been there.
[00:30:24] So you know the saying, it's the end of the, it's not the end of the world, but you can see it from there. Decatur was the town. You could see it.
[00:30:29] Jerry Reynolds: [00:30:29] Yeah, no, I've been,
[00:30:30] Grant Napear: [00:30:30] but you know, it was amazing. When I got that job, the salary was $12,300 a year. And it wasn't a full time sports position. It was anchoring the sports on the weekend.
[00:30:38] And during the week I had to be a news photographer. And he said, hopefully in nine to 12 months, we'll make your position full time sports. But for right now, it's weekends, boards. And so I do the sports on the weekend and during the week I would be a news photographer, ghost car accidents, uh, city council meetings.
[00:30:56] I mean, it was the worst, but you know, I, it was my job, but it was great cause Lou Henson was the coach at Illinois. And Mike White was the football coach, and believe it or not, that was when the bears were, were winning the super bowl. The Cubs were good, and the Cardinals were good in baseball, and we used to go to all of these things.
[00:31:12] So it was like,
[00:31:13] Jerry Reynolds: [00:31:13] wow. Oh, it was a great guy to cover.
[00:31:14] Grant Napear: [00:31:14] Yeah. I mean, I used to go to afternoon baseball games in st Louis when Whitey Herzog was the manager. Jack Clark was at first, and you know, they had IZEA Smith at shortstop and they had Vince Coleman, and they had . Tommy heard second and they had, I mean they, they, they, it was great.
[00:31:28] And back then we used to freelance. So what happened is we'd go to a, like I would go to st Louis for a matinee game and I interview a couple of players and I put together a thing and then you'd go home when, I mean go home, go back to your TV station, drive two hours, and you would edit a story and then you drive to the airport and you would ship your tape to ESPN.
[00:31:48] And then that night I kid you not. Or the next night you'd be watching Chris Berman. Do sports center and you had no idea if they were going to use your work or not. And Chris Berman goes in, the st Louis Kardos are off to a great start and for more on that, here's grant Napier. That's how they would do it.
[00:32:05] And they would pay you $150 if they used your work. And I would give $75 to my photographer and I would keep the other 75 and so that's how you would make extra money. But you, it was such a thrill. To be in Decatur, Illinois, and turn on Chris Berman and Bob Lee anchoring the sports center. And when you heard them say your name, Oh, it was just like such a thrill.
[00:32:27] Wow. And now for more on that, here's grant Napier. And they would run your story that you would stay. But you know, we talk about how to get started back then and all of the experience that I got working in Decatur, Illinois. It was fascinating.
[00:32:41] Jerry Reynolds: [00:32:41] And too, I mean, at that time, I mean, did you. Did you even dream of?
[00:32:45] You know, obviously I had dreams, you know, of where, where you could get, you know, into a big market and,
[00:32:51] Grant Napear: [00:32:51] and uh, more. You always dream, but you also know how unbelievably competitive it is. Yeah. And I got another huge break. I was in Decatur for three years, and I took off 4th of July weekend to attend a friend's wedding.
[00:33:10] And he said, you need to come to my wedding cause there's going to be a TV guy there and I'll, I'm going to tell him to talk to you. So I go to this wedding and this guy comes right up to me and he goes, Hey, you're grant Napier. I said, yes. He goes, I'm Barry Baker, I'm the vice president of coupler communications.
[00:33:26] Hey, we have an opening in Sacramento. Send you a tape out there and tell them that I told you to send it. Cause they had owned a station in st Louis, channel 11 and they, they aired back then when I was in that part of the country, they were the home of the st Louis Cardinals in the st Louis blues hockey
[00:33:43] So I send my tape out in three days later I get a call from Christine Craft and I fly out to Sacramento for an interview and I accepted job right there on the spot for $25,000 to be the sports director of channel 31 in July of 1987 okay.
[00:34:01] Jerry Reynolds: [00:34:01] Yup.
[00:34:02] Grant Napear: [00:34:02] And I'm just so excited on my quad. There is a God, I am going in California from Decatur, Illinois.
[00:34:07] Yes, there truly is a God. If you don't believe in God, trust me, there is one, you know, like I'm going to, I mean like, you know,
[00:34:13] Jerry Reynolds: [00:34:13] you know what I'm talking about. Absolutely.
[00:34:16] Grant Napear: [00:34:16] Right. And so I was, I could not have been happier and so I, I was just getting ready to start up my week vacation indicator. And I go back to Dick Westbrook and go, Dick, I'm leaving.
[00:34:26] And he goes, grant, I'm so happy for you. It's such a great opportunity. I said, Dick, here's my two weeks notice. He goes, listen, he goes, you've got a vacation. You haven't taken any sick days. Why don't you just work the rest of the week? We'll pay you for that and if you want to leave. And I said, and he's so, I literally work Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, and I got in my car Friday night and I drove.
[00:34:48] All the way to calc, three days, no air conditioning in the middle of the biggest heat wave of the summer. And I get to cater Illinois, excuse me. I get to Sacramento on a Sunday night and it's 109 degrees, and they put us up at the old Woodlake. Oh yeah. Right, right across the street from 31 and I'm sitting outside.
[00:35:07] Having an early outside. I'm the only one sitting outside of it. It's too hot to sit outside, not me. I got Palm trees around me. I got water there. You know? I know how fascinating
[00:35:16] Jerry Reynolds: [00:35:16] it is when you see a Palm tree for the first time and to, you know, and getting used to the Midwest. I always remembered it. I did my first year, so I'd be jogging 95 degrees, you know?
[00:35:24] But you know, I know humidity now. Now I have die
[00:35:28] Grant Napear: [00:35:28] on the spot. I've got to tell you, I'll never forget being at the Woodlake around the Palm trees and just thinking that I had just literally ended up in heaven. Like that was, I'll never forget sitting out there that night. And then, so I started doing that.
[00:35:39] I was the sports director, and this is such a funny, well, maybe it's funny. Might not be the right word. Interesting. I walked into the news director, or excuse me, the general manager's office. December 20 it was either the 23rd or 24th 1987 to wish the general manager whose name was bill Walsh, not the former football coach, but to wish him a happy holiday and he's not in there.
[00:36:05] There's somebody else in there, and I said, Oh, I'm sorry. He goes, no, come on in. And it was Elliot , who of course is now the general manager at channel three in Sacramento. And he goes, no, come on in. Come on in. He says, bill doesn't work here anymore. And I'm like stunned. Yeah. He says, I'm the new general manager and we talk for like a half hour and got, you know, Les is the best in the world.
[00:36:30] I mean, I love Elliot. Elliot is, I can't say enough great things about LA Trish Minsky. And then we got to develop a pretty good, uh, friendship, and it must've been around March. He calls me into his office and he said, Hey, have you ever done basketball before? I said, yeah, I've been doing basketball since I was second grade.
[00:36:48] He goes, no, come on. Have you ever announced basketball? I go, yeah, since I've been in second grade, and I explained it. He goes, okay. He goes, listen, we're trying to get the Kings because they were on channel 13 for the first three years, and I, my heart's starting to like, wow, you know, this is now my dream.
[00:37:05] And he said, okay, well, he goes, where? So then another month goes by and he goes, okay, you're not going to believe this. We got the rights for the Kings. I'm going to see if they will. Okay you to do the games. Well, it was interesting because Joe Axelson was the general manager back then, and no one watched channel 31 like I could go out at night.
[00:37:23] No one even knew who I was after even a couple of months of doing the right sports. Well, I had sent Joe a handwritten letter probably around. The first of the year because I had come from big 10 country and you know what it was like back then. Bob Knight was at Indiana. Lou Henson. You had bill free to writ Michigan.
[00:37:39] You had great players, and I was, Illinois was great and I was fascinated by the atmosphere and so I sent Joe a handwritten letter back in January. And I had no idea we were going to get the Kings. I had no idea. I just said, Hey Joe, my name is grant Napier. I'm the sports director at 31 I just writing this to thank you because your staff has been unbelievably nice to me.
[00:37:59] They've made me feel at home and I, and I put down at the end of the letter, I said, I really hope the fans in this market realize how lucky they are because I just came from, I put champagne. I didn't put the cater where I was covering Illinois, and this is even greater than the atmosphere that I was just covering.
[00:38:16] So fast forward then to Elliott, he had to go get permission and he calls me back. I'll never forget this. He calls me back in his office two weeks later and he said, uh, you are the new TV voice or the Sacramento Kings. And I was just like, he said, Joe Axelson loves you. He's what he said to me. He goes, Joe Axelson said, you are great.
[00:38:38] He really loves you. And to this day. 32 years of announcing the Kings. To this day, I wonder if I had not written that letter to Joe, if I would have been approved to do the games, because I don't know if Joel would have even known who I was, because again, nobody watched channel 31
[00:38:52] Jerry Reynolds: [00:38:52] yeah, that's a great, I mean, that's a great point.
[00:38:54] You know, I mean, although. No one, Joe, I think once you wrote the letter, I'll bet you anything he did. You know, if it intrigued him that, you know, he made a point to turn to channel
[00:39:06] Grant Napear: [00:39:06] 31 a little bit. You know, we had done interviews with Joe, he was the GM back then, and you know what I mean? But you know what, it was three 1310 and then Jim Crandall.
[00:39:15] So, I mean, you know, I don't, you know, Joe, you knew Joe inside and out a lot better than I did, but I still, I always tell students again. Go outside the box. If you want a job, do go above and beyond. And you know, the one thing, and you know this, the one thing that goes a long way in life is thank you. And if you are sincere with your appreciation for what someone's doing for you, that just goes such a long way.
[00:39:40] You don't even think about how simple that is. But what a huge difference that makes.
[00:39:44] Jerry Reynolds: [00:39:44] Oh, I was going to say, yeah, I always tell people too. I mean, like in coaching, I always say, looking back, I mean, doing volunteer work for cotton Fitzsimmons with Atlanta Hawks. When I was in Georgia, uh, Oh, Phil Johnson in Kansas city when I was a college coach.
[00:39:58] You know, just being available, you need extra help. You know, in those days they did how's glad to do it. But, but I mean, you know, a lot of guys wouldn't
[00:40:06] Grant Napear: [00:40:06] know you're right. You know, a lot of guys wouldn't. And you, you. Yeah. I've listened to your stories, which are fascinating about how you. W w w got to the point that you're at.
[00:40:16] And you know, I always wonder in my life, like had I not taken off that weekend to go to that wedding, I would have never known about the opening in Sacramento. Had I messed up on national TV on miss Lou, the sports director, Jim Tishi, and Toledo would have never come up to me and talk to me about filling in on the weekends.
[00:40:32] You know, if I had not gone out to the California bowl on my own expense, which was my dad's expense, I would have never gotten the opportunity. To do that. So I look at the things in my life, starting with the national TV on ms Lu, which led to filling in on the weekends in Toledo, Ohio, which led to my first full time job indicator, taking the weekend off, which enabled me to find out about the job in Sacramento.
[00:40:57] And I ended up at the station that ends up getting the Kings eight months after I get there. But it's fascinating.
[00:41:03] Jerry Reynolds: [00:41:03] Yeah, it is. And you know what I mean? And all that. Yeah. Obviously played a role, but, but you were
[00:41:09] Grant Napear: [00:41:09] prepared. I was number one,
[00:41:11] Jerry Reynolds: [00:41:11] you know, and, and, uh, you, you know, you did go the extra mile. I mean, now I always said, now I'm convinced that that maybe it wouldn't happen as quick.
[00:41:22] Grant Napear: [00:41:22] Right. Or, you know,
[00:41:24] Jerry Reynolds: [00:41:24] that to me, that's probably the only difference. I mean, a few things
[00:41:28] Grant Napear: [00:41:28] had to
[00:41:28] Jerry Reynolds: [00:41:28] fall in place for you, but I always, always kinda like telling young people. I said, you know, eh, you know, before you, you know, they're always thinking, I want to be vice president with a corner office. It's like, well, you kinda gotta cut to do a few things before.
[00:41:43] Grant Napear: [00:41:43] That corner office.
[00:41:44] Jerry Reynolds: [00:41:44] And you may be prepared for it for years before you get it, but you have
[00:41:49] Grant Napear: [00:41:49] to be prepared. Well, I, there was a book, uh, I used to go talk to colleges and high schools all the time, and there was a book that Warren, a Wolf, uh, he was a longtime sports anchor in both New York and Washington did Monday night baseball for awhile, and he wrote a book and he has a paragraph, and I'm going to paraphrase a, his paragraph is, is he, and I remember it.
[00:42:08] It's, it's maybe the best paragraph I've ever read of any book in my life about what I do. And he said, you know how some people say, if you can start at the top, start at the top, not in this business. You need to get a job at six in the morning when nobody's listening to you. You need to be in a small market where you are allowed to make mistakes.
[00:42:27] And if you make a mistake, you're not going to lose your job. That's how you make it in this business. And it's so true because when I. Got my first job out of college at the same station I did an internship for waa WK IQ in bowling green. I was the morning DJ. I was an account executive, so I would go out and sell, get advertising during the day and at night I would announce games, whether it was hockey or basketball, and I'll never forget being in the morning DJ three times a week we had the funeral report brought to you by clots, flowers, and I would have to literally go.
[00:43:03] Well, it's now time for the funeral where report brought to you by Klotz, flowers on East Wooster street. And I, I would have to read the obituaries seriously three times a week. And I think back sitting in that studio and you know what it's like in the Midwest, trying to get anywhere, getting up in the morning and fighting that 15 below zero weather and going in there and turning all the equipment on and, you know, doing those things.
[00:43:25] Yeah. You know, it's just, I look back at my career and I'm just like, you know, I'm, I, you know me, I don't, I don't, I mean, I don't talk about myself that much, but like I'll, no matter what anyone says to me, like, and I'm, you and I have been so blessed to do what we do. Absolutely. But I've earned every single bit of this.
[00:43:42] Like I paid my dues, even though I started doing this at an early age, which I was lucky to do NBA basketball at 28 like, I rolled up my sleeves, I did all the hard work. Like I, I deep down feel that. I, everything I've achieved in my career, I've earned.
[00:43:59] Jerry Reynolds: [00:43:59] Yeah. I've always kind of felt the same way. You know, I have remembered, you know, I haven't forgotten driving the vans, you know, five, six hours, uh, you know, for games and taking the uniforms home for my wife to wash, uh, cleaning, you know, cleaning off the floor and, and paint and locker rooms and getting Jim's ready for games, you know, and making nothing and making nothing, speaking at any, anytime they'd get
[00:44:24] Five people together trying to raise 10 bucks, you know, that sort of thing. It's incredible, you know? I mean, you, you know, you and my mind, it's a little bit like yourself. I don't, I don't never really thought necessarily about being an NBA, but I felt I deserve a chance at a division, top division one job.
[00:44:41] I've done enough sure to do that.
[00:44:43] Grant Napear: [00:44:43] Sure. You know, and you're so simple, and I believe it or not, I'm really simple. The one thing I've always admired about you. You don't need to live in a big fancy house or drive a big fancy car or have great clothes, you don't care about that stuff. And my dad was like that.
[00:44:55] My dad never, ever, ever spent money on cars or clothes or anything. He spent money on us and he spent money on his children, or we spent money on, you know, things that we would love to do. Like this. Going to the games, like my dad would much rather take his boys to watch the giants and jets play every Sunday.
[00:45:12] They drive around on a nice car. Yeah. Like that's what was important to him. I
[00:45:16] Jerry Reynolds: [00:45:16] think I was raised a lot the same way. I mean, we'd go to AAA baseball games in Annapolis or Louis, Louisville, and occasionally we'd get to go to a major league game. But, uh, of course my dad always remember my first, first job I ever had working on the golf course as a resort in French lick.
[00:45:30] And, and I'd come home, you know, bitching about GJ ah, you know, I gotta rake sand traps and, and, and they're paying me $6 an hour. And he said, he said, boy, let me tell you something. Then they're paying you $6 an hour. You give them $7 a day's worth. That's beautiful. And you said, and you know what I mean, you said that, and that was kind of always stuck with me.
[00:45:50] Grant Napear: [00:45:50] I'll tell ya, I love that. You know, it's funny. Last year I told Elliot when he paid me to do the Kings games, I said, you know, you are very successful. I said, but that was the worst business decision you've ever made. He goes, how's that? I go, well, you, you paid me $300 a game to do the Kings, but what you didn't realize, I would have paid you $300 to do the games for every day.
[00:46:11] You know,
[00:46:12] Jerry Reynolds: [00:46:12] always remember too. I mean, going back, you know, I mean, of course we've worked together longer, but I always remember, I think the first time I remember you, it was probably the lowest time of my life. At that time. We were in Hawaii. Oh boy. And a camp. Oh boy. And just. You know, everybody hurt. We had no talent.
[00:46:29] And I mean, I, I knew, you know, this can't work. This man
[00:46:34] Grant Napear: [00:46:34] may not never seen
[00:46:35] Jerry Reynolds: [00:46:35] you. Yeah. You know, and it's like a, I'm by nature, a positive person, but I mean,
[00:46:41] Grant Napear: [00:46:41] and, and I, that's the only time in my life I've, I, people always ask me, you know, that's the only time that I've seen you like that. Like, you were almost defeated.
[00:46:50] Uh, your face and the way you were, there was no humor about you. There was no joking, and I didn't know you very well back then, but it was apparent. That you knew you were in an absolutely impossible situation.
[00:47:03] Jerry Reynolds: [00:47:03] Yeah. You know, we'd lost Rick. He buried his suicide a few months before. I mean, it just all piled up, you know?
[00:47:09] And I always remember my wife, you know, we'd talk and she'd, Oh, honey, you'll, you'll fit. You'll figure it out. You'll find a way to make it work. I said,
[00:47:16] Grant Napear: [00:47:16] not this one. No,
[00:47:17] Jerry Reynolds: [00:47:17] I won't. You know? I mean, just saying
[00:47:19] Grant Napear: [00:47:19] that really, I got there like a day or two after the team arrived and I walked into the gym. I'll never forget this, Danny Ainge comes running up to me.
[00:47:28] Literally off the practice floor. I'm like. You're not going to believe this. Ralph can't run.
[00:47:34] Jerry Reynolds: [00:47:34] Yeah. I'm like, what are you
[00:47:35] Grant Napear: [00:47:35] talking about? You know, bill Russell had traded for Ralph Sampson without even looking at him, you know, and he goes, Ralph can't run. I go, what do you mean he can't run? He can't run. And I look over and you have Vinny Del Negro has got his Jawan old ham.
[00:47:48] You have literally half your team is already unable to practice because of injuries or a second hold on it or whatever. But you know what I mean? And then I'll never forget going to the place Dale center, and here's Jerry, and he's got a lineup of three CBA players going against magic worthy Korea. I'm just like, Oh my gosh.
[00:48:07] Jerry Reynolds: [00:48:07] That was a, Oh yeah, that
[00:48:09] Grant Napear: [00:48:09] was the only good part about that is we were in Hawaii, but I don't even think you appreciate
[00:48:13] Jerry Reynolds: [00:48:13] it. I'd rather been in Bakersfield as far as I'm concerned. You know, obviously you're talking about mr. Anyway, that was, and then, you know, I want to talk a little bit about, you know, our time together.
[00:48:25] I was going to say it was a, uh, one of the things that always struck me, and you kind of touched on it. You know, people always ask me, you know, when you work with grant, uh, like with the, you know, do you, do, you guys does, does he, uh, do a lot of. Preparation. I said, he doesn't have to. I said,
[00:48:42] Grant Napear: [00:48:42] I said, I'll tell you about grant right now.
[00:48:44] I said,
[00:48:44] Jerry Reynolds: [00:48:44] whether it's opens or, or commercials, I mean, he, he gets it right the first time, every
[00:48:50] Grant Napear: [00:48:50] time.
[00:48:51] Jerry Reynolds: [00:48:51] And I said, he can do it while watching the giants football
[00:48:54] Grant Napear: [00:48:54] game
[00:48:56] Jerry Reynolds: [00:48:56] and, and he doesn't miss a beat. I said, I, I out. I don't know, honest to God, I don't think there's a person in America
[00:49:03] Grant Napear: [00:49:03] that can do
[00:49:04] Jerry Reynolds: [00:49:04] that. And I'm not saying he
[00:49:06] Grant Napear: [00:49:06] should.
[00:49:08] Yeah, I don't, I don't recommend it. Announcing a live sporting event while watching a sporting event on your, on your phone is probably not the best recipe for success. But I, I, um. You know, me, I, I can't do it. Well, first of all, not only can I do what I have to
[00:49:21] Jerry Reynolds: [00:49:21] have to, right. You have to know. I have no doubt.
[00:49:25] Yeah. That's, that's not even a question that is a, that's a mandatory, but yeah. You know, and just, uh,
[00:49:34] Grant Napear: [00:49:34] we had truly, uh, such great times and, um, you know how I feel, I'm so happy that you're still doing some games cause it's, um. People always say, you get asked this all the time. I get asked this all the time.
[00:49:46] You know, I get asked, you know, working with Jerry, and it got to a point where I always know what you're going to say and you always know what I'm going to say. I know when you're going to say it. I know when to lead you into things. And we had, we had the best time and Oh yeah. By the way, most of the years that you and I worked together, our team was terrible, so we had to get through the telecast and keep our audience, and I think we did a great job of that.
[00:50:08] I think we literally had people watching games in the fourth quarter. Because they want to hear whatG , what's Jerry going to say? You know, well, what's, and we would have humor over, we think about all the lean years. Did you want to get games?
[00:50:19] Jerry Reynolds: [00:50:19] Boy, it was tough. It was, as you know, it got really tough.
[00:50:22] And, uh, but I thought, uh, do you know the, I, I thought that we got to the point to where. Where I think, I know when we started, I thought both of us, we probably criticized officials
[00:50:32] Grant Napear: [00:50:32] too much. I was pretty guilty of that,
[00:50:34] Jerry Reynolds: [00:50:34] you know? I know I was, and it was too. It's really serves no purpose, you know? I mean, I totally agree.
[00:50:39] The thing I always tell people, I said at the end of it, we've talked about this, the best teams win the most games. Yep. And, and, and, you know, and, and calls will go against you and they'll go for you. And you know, all that. But then I, but I think we got the point to where, where I thought we did a pretty good job of, you know, just being.
[00:50:58] Uh, given credit to the other team.
[00:51:00] Grant Napear: [00:51:00] Yes.
[00:51:00] Jerry Reynolds: [00:51:00] You know, I love the game like you do, and it's like, well, I want the Kings to be the fun
[00:51:05] Grant Napear: [00:51:05] team, and everybody knows that we were rooting for the Kings, but yes,
[00:51:08] Jerry Reynolds: [00:51:08] but if the other team is really playing good, give them credit and they're in and they've got a got outstanding
[00:51:13] Grant Napear: [00:51:13] players.
[00:51:14] One of the, one of the. Uh, nitas validations that I've received over the years. And I know you have to because you've been staying in the next to me is when an official comes up and says, Hey, I just want to let you know how much we appreciate and respect the job that you do. And they say, you're always fair to us.
[00:51:28] And it doesn't mean that you're not critical, but you're critical when we're, we need to be criticized. But you, you're not afraid to say you were wrong. And there were too many announcers that will criticize an official, and then the replay will show that the official was right and the announcers don't say, man, that's my bad.
[00:51:44] I was wrong on that. And I'll tell you, even to this day, I have officials, and when we go to, uh, the NBA broadcast meetings in the summer, I always have a couple of officials come up to me and thank me for that. And, and when you and I were doing the games, it happened on a regular basis. I liked that because, you know, I think a lot of people forget.
[00:52:05] Coaches, players, referees, broadcasters, you know, we're all trying to accomplish the same goal, and that's to make the league great, right? Right. And we all have different roles, but we are all really under one umbrella. And, and I was critical of the officials when I started doing the games. And so we, you and I learned that, first of all, I was wrong most of the time.
[00:52:27] And second of all. It's if I put myself in the shoes of a, the viewer, I don't want to listen to an announcer, rip the officials all game. And I, when I used to listen to other announcers, it turned me off. So I stopped doing
[00:52:40] Jerry Reynolds: [00:52:40] that. Yeah, no, I, that thing I know it was just from watching other broadcasts, how much they do it and it, it just takes and like say, I, I under fully understand that, that it's impossible to call a basketball game.
[00:52:52] Grant Napear: [00:52:52] Flawless and you're going to Ms. Little to announce a game flawlessly.
[00:52:55] Jerry Reynolds: [00:52:55] You know, I've always said, you know, when you did bothers me a little bit, and we've talked about this, where players will go up to, you know, bitch and all the time with overdoing it. But I said, how would they like it if when they miss a layup and the referee runs up to him?
[00:53:07] So Jesus gone, you knew mr lamp, you know,
[00:53:09] Grant Napear: [00:53:09] same thing, same thing.
[00:53:11] Jerry Reynolds: [00:53:11] Come on, you know, have respect for the
[00:53:13] Grant Napear: [00:53:13] profession. You know, again, with everything being under a microscope these days because of social media. And everything is instantaneous, more than ever. I think that, and I get this sense when I go to the league meetings and we're all under one roof with the commissioner and everyone else, we're all in this together.
[00:53:33] We all. Benefit if the league's doing great. Okay. When the leagues not doing great, like baseball right now, there's a domino effect and then all of a sudden it's what's wrong with this sport and it's not, I love being a part of the NBA because it's still such a strong league. Does it have some issues yet?
[00:53:51] I mean, every sports, every sport that you know that the issue in China right now is a big issue and there's others, but for the most part. You have a commissioner who I think has done a marvelous job, and the thing about the MBAs, you will know, they're always thinking ahead. They don't think that everything's great and everything's hunky Dory and they don't have to fix.
[00:54:08] They're always trying to tinker with the game. Not always for the best. You would admit that, but they're not afraid to. Try. They're not afraid to experiment. They're not like, even right now with their thinking of the proposal of having a mid season tournament, which I'm not necessarily crazy about, but I like the idea of the playoff format that they're
[00:54:25] Jerry Reynolds: [00:54:25] talking about.
[00:54:26] I do like some of their ideas. I don't really like the mid season thing much. I'm just not sure about that, you know? But I liked the idea of. Maybe play in ENS.
[00:54:35] Grant Napear: [00:54:35] Yeah. You know, I think that would be
[00:54:36] Jerry Reynolds: [00:54:36] exciting. Certainly I'm really be in favor of just the 16 best teams being seated and, and, and move on. I think with charter flights, like they are sure they'd be some issues, but last time I checked, nobody's playing back to back.
[00:54:49] Yeah. In the playoffs. That's right. You know what I mean?
[00:54:53] Grant Napear: [00:54:53] James, you know, and you could change it where you would do a two, three, two format. So if you had a West coast team playing an East coast team, and the first round you win, if it went seven, two, two, one, one, one, it would that you'd go to three, two.
[00:55:04] Yeah. So it, yeah. So we'll see. But you know, again, I go back to what you brought up about working with you and how many great, we had so many phenomenal moments. Um, you know, I always tell people the greatest line. I'll never forget. We were sitting on the bench in San Antonio about 15 minutes before TV, and it was the final week of the season.
[00:55:23] And you go, you know, you know what's the most important part of our job, don't you? And I go, what's that? And you go to convince people. That they're not seeing what they're actually seeing.
[00:55:36] Jerry Reynolds: [00:55:36] I
[00:55:36] Grant Napear: [00:55:36] go, is there a better life to convince people that they're not seeing what they're actually seeing? Yeah. That's the greatest thing I've ever heard.
[00:55:42] Jerry Reynolds: [00:55:42] I going to say, you know, when you're rolling along the 23 win season, I got that time, you know, and it's a, and Neil, like I say, it's, it's, it was. I always said too, it's always a case. It's like even with those bad teams, well, you can, okay. Uh, the teams may have, boy, Kevin Martin's really scoring well or, or Francisco Garcia has got a lot of potential, you know, that sort of thing.
[00:56:06] You know, you can always find some always without taking away from the obvious of it.
[00:56:11] Grant Napear: [00:56:11] I know this is your show, but I want to ask you a question because every place I go to, I have people come up to me and asking me how you're doing and please say hello to Jerry. Do you miss. Even some of the travel. Do you miss some of that camaraderie that you get with individuals that you've known for 30 and 40 years on the road that now you don't get a chance to have because you're not traveling?
[00:56:30] Jerry Reynolds: [00:56:30] Yes, I do. I mean, really that's the part you miss, you know? Uh, just, and even. You know, with doing the pre and post game, you know, I really don't have the time, uh, just due to the different shines to really visit with a lot of those people. So yeah, I miss that. I think that's, uh, probably the thing you, I worry about maybe the most when you, when it's time to totally get out, you know, but, uh,
[00:56:54] Grant Napear: [00:56:54] yeah, I think, you know, that our job, the one thing it does.
[00:56:58] It really keeps you young at heart because you're always laughing. No, there's just no substitute with being around the guys, regardless of whether it's the players on your team or the coaches or the the colleagues that we have or, you know, I, I know the favorite thing for you. It was always to sit on.
[00:57:17] The bench before the game, talking with another member of the, a another organization or a scout or whatever, and you would just sit there and talk for 30 minutes. And those are the things that to me, I'll miss the most when it comes time to not do the game stuff. That's maybe the best part of our job.
[00:57:33] Jerry Reynolds: [00:57:33] I think so really.
[00:57:34] I mean, and you know people that are in the same line of work and they understand and, and, and you have a, you know that you develop a trust factor. After with that, you can talk to them about maybe some issues that you wouldn't, and they'll, they'll, they'll honor that, you know? And
[00:57:48] Grant Napear: [00:57:48] I mean, you know who you can trust and who you can't after a while on this thing.
[00:57:51] Jerry Reynolds: [00:57:51] You know, the other thing I've always said too is, is those broadcasters, when the team wasn't doing well, a lot of them, but I always said the thing, the thing that we had, we had a great. Team. It was a
[00:58:02] Grant Napear: [00:58:02] broadcast
[00:58:03] Jerry Reynolds: [00:58:03] team. That's right. And so we, you know, it's, it's a little different. You know, you have your own little niche there.
[00:58:09] That's right. And, and this could really enjoy all
[00:58:12] Grant Napear: [00:58:12] the people we lucky. Very lucky. Right. And you know what else we were lucky about? We didn't have interference from management. In terms of the way you and I did the games, cause we weren't afraid to be critical of the team and we weren't afraid to praise the other team.
[00:58:24] I know a lot of announcers in the league, and I won't mention their names that have come up to me and said, boy, I'll watch your games and I wish I could announce the games the way you do, but we're not allowed to.
[00:58:31] Jerry Reynolds: [00:58:31] Yeah, no, I'm sure that that probably happens a lot more than, than we realize. So, you know, very fortunate.
[00:58:38] And I am, like I say, I think, uh. You know, in today's situation, you know, when you, when you have a thought, a divots, you know, running a franchise, I mean, in a sense, I mean, one of the more, obviously a likable people does ever type Shelly Kings and, and uh, you know, and then I think coach Waltons really has got an easy presence about him, you know, so that makes everything better.
[00:59:00] And I mean, I won't go get into names, but there's been a couple of coaches in the past that were very difficult to be around. Sure. It didn't really want to be around. And, uh, it makes the job a little harder, but when you have your own team, uh, it, it's all still
[00:59:16] Grant Napear: [00:59:16] doable. You know, I haven't really sat down.
[00:59:17] I knew you did when you wrote your book and everything, and I'll do this one time, but yeah. Like I'd have to write down on paper all of the coaching staffs that I've been through since 1988 it's just amazing how many in bed back then. As you know, there was one head coach and one assistant coach. There were more coaches than
[00:59:35] Jerry Reynolds: [00:59:35] players.
[00:59:36] It's hard to keep track, you know, and all that. No, it's really changed and I'm glad to see a lot of people get work, but I don't know that necessarily, but, but I do think, you know, looking back, some of the. The, the guys that I probably feel, you know, closest to or, or, and maybe a little sorry for when they lose jobs as assistant coaches.
[00:59:55] Yeah. Cause I know they don't make as much and they don't get as much credit. And I've been there. And so I think you, you know, you see that a little bit.
[01:00:02] Grant Napear: [01:00:02] Yeah. You know, I think the most, uh, the biggest people always ask me, what's the biggest change from when I started doing the biggest change is that now every single word that you say is dissected, it is out there for the whole world to see.
[01:00:17] Within seconds of when you say it, and you have to be so careful not to say the wrong thing to offend anyone. Discriminate. Um, I've always made a pretty simple rule when I'm doing my radio show because it's so spontaneous and it's so at times inflammatory and at times the debate can get out of hand, stay away from race.
[01:00:45] Sex, uh, stay away from all of those areas now, which are just throwing gasoline on a hot fire.
[01:00:55] Jerry Reynolds: [01:00:55] Yeah. You're not that you can't
[01:00:56] Grant Napear: [01:00:56] win, you just can't. And I, I it, and I don't mind saying this here, it is really bothered me to see some of my colleagues in the NBA lose their jobs over one sentence that was so innocent to them.
[01:01:12] And it had no. Not even the slightest hint of discrimination from what they intended it to be, and they ended up losing her job.
[01:01:22] Jerry Reynolds: [01:01:22] you'd think there'd be a little, little more understanding, you know, uh. You know, th why should this cost a guy? I know his
[01:01:31] Grant Napear: [01:01:31] livelihood,
[01:01:32] Jerry Reynolds: [01:01:32] right? You know it's a mistake, right? Like
[01:01:34] Grant Napear: [01:01:34] Tim Ryan of the 40 Niners whose radio analysts, Scott suspended for the new Orleans game because of a remark he made about Lamar Jackson and a football against the dark uniform in historic skin.
[01:01:44] You know what? They didn't fire him. They said, okay, you know what we need? We're going to suspend you for a game, okay. Regardless of what you believe in or don't believe in. That was the right way to handle that. Yeah. But some other announcers that have lost two jobs, it just, but so, so going back, I don't want to get off on a tangent here.
[01:02:00] I have a microphone in front of me every day on my radio show and TV, and I went, and when you stopped working, I told Doug, I go, Doug, I'm going to give you a little bit of, I'm going to, I'm going to help you out here and I'm going to tell you, you can do whatever you want, whatever. But I'm going to tell you right now, these are the areas that you would be better staying away from if you want longevity.
[01:02:19] And you want everyone to love you. And I go, when? I mean love you. You know what I mean? I know a lot of people don't like the way I do my radio show, but as long as they're listening, but they don't. It's not because I'm saying something that would discriminate. Religion, ethnicities, you know, sex or, you know, whatever.
[01:02:37] exactly. And I'm okay with that. So I've, I told Doug and when we were going through a couple of delicate social issues in Sacramento early in his tenure with me doing the radio show, I go, Doug. You have a microphone in front of you. I'm not going to tell you what to say or what not to say, but I'm going to just give you a little advice before we start the show.
[01:02:54] If you get into this, you'll never get out of it and it won't go away. So you can handle it however you want and you, you are entitled to your opinion and no one's ever going to tell you that you're not. But understand that everything that you say has consequences, even consequences that you are right.
[01:03:09] Now, thinking about. Because all it takes are an individual or individuals to get together. And then you have the political correctness and all everything else that's in play. So I, I, and I have no problem saying this right here, cause I've said it on my radio show. . We unfortunately live in such a sensitive society now that what, what could have been perceived as just an innocent, funny joke even five years ago now can cost someone their job.
[01:03:40] Jerry Reynolds: [01:03:40] and that, you know, too, I know he said, I like comedian, you know, the, the great comedians, uh, that almost none of them were college campuses.
[01:03:48] Grant Napear: [01:03:48] How about that?
[01:03:49] Jerry Reynolds: [01:03:49] That's right. It does tell you a lot. You thought
[01:03:51] Grant Napear: [01:03:51] that would have been impossible. I know 20 or 30 years ago. Listen, so you and I have been through a lot, and I'm a grateful that we're able to chat and reminisce because th th th the one thing that's changed is.
[01:04:06] The fact that technology's changed. And you and I started doing this when we were traveling commercial, and we'd get a 4:00 AM wake up call, you know, and all of that. But the one thing that hasn't changed are the, the great people that are in our profession.
[01:04:20] Jerry Reynolds: [01:04:20] Oh, they're, they're great. I mean really.
[01:04:22] Grant Napear: [01:04:22] And all the stories and all of the, cause, you know, we're all in a kind of a fraternity.
[01:04:27] Like when you talk to Larry Bird, you know, you don't see Larry Bird all the time, but you guys have had the same life in terms of all of the people you've met in all of the travel and everything else. And you know, we're all, we're almost like in the basketball bubble, and that never burst. And that's the thing I've loved the most about doing all the games on TV
[01:04:46] Jerry Reynolds: [01:04:46] with pretty much everybody in a kind of that, like you say,
[01:04:50] Kind of the professional bubble. You know, you, you don't, you haven't exactly walked down the same road day been on,
[01:04:57] Grant Napear: [01:04:57] but you know where it is, you
[01:04:59] Jerry Reynolds: [01:04:59] know where it is. It's, you know, it's pretty, it's, it's kinda similar in a lot of ways, you know? And so I, I think that, you know, one thing I wanted to touch on before we go is, is it, you know, I of course enjoyed working with you so much, and people always say, uh.
[01:05:13] Do you mean? I said that. Sure, I do. You know, that's the most fun. It's
[01:05:17] Grant Napear: [01:05:17] doing
[01:05:17] Jerry Reynolds: [01:05:17] games is fun. I mean, you know, the pre and post games a little
[01:05:20] Grant Napear: [01:05:20] different.
[01:05:20] Jerry Reynolds: [01:05:20] But I said the thing that does bother me is things don't come to me as quick as they once did. You know, I mean, you used to be, I didn't have to prepare. I knew everybody.
[01:05:30] And you know, and it's, it's, it's gotten tougher. And I, you know, as a, as a senior citizen, you know, you, you, you have to deal with that a little bit. And I know that. That it's kind of the thing I can't do forever, you know? And I don't want to be, you know, kind of like Johnny most. Wow. That'd be good left-hander
[01:05:45] Grant Napear: [01:05:45] over to over to number 47.
[01:05:48] Yeah. Well that's why I have so much respect for Gary Gerald, cause I think he's 77 now. And radio play by play is so spontaneous and it's so, I don't know if I could do that when I'm that age. I hope I can, but I mean, yeah, I mean, just part
[01:06:00] Jerry Reynolds: [01:06:00] of life. I don't believe he's missed a beat.
[01:06:02] Grant Napear: [01:06:02] Yeah. So I mean, the VIN Scully's of the world and those, uh, it's, it's, uh, I.
[01:06:07] I'm fascinated by that because it's the unknown. You are now, or you know, in your mid seventies where, you know, I don't know what it's going to be like for me. Everyone's different. I, I hope I'm like you where I'm your age and I'm still part of the organization. Cause I gotta tell you, like if I, if they took the organization away from me, it would be taken away a big part of my life.
[01:06:24] Jerry Reynolds: [01:06:24] Oh, no question. Yeah. You know, it definitely is. What's the energy you have and all that. I mean, I don't really know. I get that. I mean, it's it. Yeah. It, you know, cause you, you just don't know. You got to have a voice, something to fill, a void there. There's, there's no doubt
[01:06:38] Grant Napear: [01:06:38] have to, when you people that aren't at that don't do what we do, don't quite understand.
[01:06:44] But I probably, you know, know you, you're like a part of my family and the people that we've do, the Pete young men's or the world and all of us, they're really part of our family. And that's all I've known my entire adult life, pretty much. And so you have your own family with your wife and your kids, and your kids then grow up and they leave and it's your wife and, but you're with your basketball family more than you with your own family.
[01:07:10] And I don't know if people fully realize how much of like people always say, well, gee, you know, you're, you're too much of a Homer. You know, you shouldn't be, wait a minute. I live with this family, I, I, there's no way you can, you can't have it both ways. You can't do what we do every day and live with this team every day and then say, I'm going to be 100% objective and I'm not going to be a Homer and I'm not going to really root for the, that's not humanly possible.
[01:07:36] Jerry Reynolds: [01:07:36] no, not, I mean, not, I've made it clear. I am a Homer. Okay. I am for the Sacramento Kings right now. I try to be fair, but I'm not, I'll never, I don't
[01:07:49] Grant Napear: [01:07:49] even, I mean,
[01:07:50] Jerry Reynolds: [01:07:50] you know, come on. You know why? Why would I want to do it? You know? And I mean, yeah, that's it. But Hey, I know you've got other things to do. And then that's the other amazing things about this guy.
[01:08:01] He's going to be on radio now and pretty soon, four straight hours. I always remember when you did it by yourself. Sure. And you know, I mean,
[01:08:08] Grant Napear: [01:08:08] I, I, you know, the one thing, like, I'm, I'll give you an example. Later in December. I'm doing a a Sacramento Kings game on a Saturday night against Phoenix. And then Sunday night I'm in Denver.
[01:08:19] And then Monday morning I'm doing the Jim Rome show down in Southern California. And I used to, you know, I used to do arena football and there were times we'd be doing a game in LA and I'd have to get on a red eye to get an arena game in New York. On the next day and then meet you important than the next night.
[01:08:35] And I've always wanted to do that my whole life. I always used to grow up. And when I used to see, uh, the network sports announcers in New York on this day and two days later in LA, I was like, man, I want to do that. And you know how much I love flying? Like travel and flying is my passion. And unlike you, I can be on an airplane every day.
[01:08:54] And so for me, like I get invigorated and I like. Like if you told me, okay, Napes I need you to do in a basketball game in LA on Sunday. I need you to do a hockey game in New York on Monday, a basketball game in Portland, Tuesday, and then another hockey game in Chicago on Wednesday. I would be so excited.
[01:09:15] Like for me, that is the, that's, that's the ultimate achievement. I don't need to do the Superbowl. I don't need to do well. I just love doing games in one city. One night. The next city, the next night, fly all night because it's a challenge for me. And I know you think that's crazy, but I, I, that makes me go, that makes me tick
[01:09:35] Jerry Reynolds: [01:09:35] now.
[01:09:36] And that's a great one to end on because that is the grand Napier. I'm serious now. That is grant Naper wanting a zillion and, uh, my goodness, I mean, you tell me. So, uh, when you desire you young people out there to be a play by play. Just keep that in mind now. That's what it takes. So, uh, anyway, but anyway, it's just been great having you and anytime I enjoyed it, you know, I'll tell you what, and, uh, obviously, you know, we've, I don't think we've ever had a bad day.
[01:10:06] Grant Napear: [01:10:06] We've never had a bad day. Uh, other than that, one day at the gym in Hawaii.
[01:10:11] Jerry Reynolds: [01:10:11] Yeah, that was a bad, that was a bad month. But anyway, thanks
[01:10:15] Grant Napear: [01:10:15] for common pleasure. Let's do it again down the road.
[01:10:17] Jerry Reynolds: [01:10:17] Let's do so, uh, again, and, uh, just, uh, just keep doing what you're doing.
[01:10:22] Grant Napear: [01:10:22] Every day it just wake up and as you said, every day is a good day if you wake up right?
[01:10:26] Jerry Reynolds: [01:10:26] Every day is a good day if you wake up. Hey guys, I really hope you enjoyed the show as much as I did. My team and I are trying hard to bring you the best interviews with some really great folks here locally. I need to ask you a big favor. If you can just take a moment to rate, review and subscribe. That will help us out a ton.
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