S01E09 - Dave "Deuce" Mason
S01E09 - Dave "Deuce" Mason
Dave "Deuce" Mason grew up in Carmichael, California and from a young age he knew he wanted to work in the sports world. Now, Deuce is a sports media professional with over a decade of experience.
Currently serving as the Sacramento Kings' Radio Broadcast Manager and On-Air Talent, in addition to the play-by-play voice of the Stockton Kings (NBA G-League) he finds time to do a weekly podcast with his co-host Morgan Ragan.
Dave "Deuce" Mason
Jerry Reynolds: Well, here we are again at the, uh, Jerry Reynold's show at the beautiful McCreery's studios, uh, home of the. Finest furniture in Sacramento, but then you guys know that, I'll tell you that all the time, but you're starting to learn, aren't you? Okay. Well, anyway, we've got a special guest, a couple of special guests here today, but we'll get to that as we go.
But the first one, of course, uh, Deuce Mason, basically Dave Deuce Mason, who, uh, has a warrant. Many, many hats, which we'll get into. But, uh, anyway, I want to just thank you for coming on board. Uh, you know, go and get, talk a little bit of sports, your background in tickler.
Dave Deuce Mason: I'm excited to be here, Jerry. You know, and not to get all emotional as we start, but I'm telling you, and I think it's because all everything that's happened last couple of weeks or whatever with, with Kobe's passing, but I should tell you, like it is me as meant a lot to me to have a relationship with you over the years and the fact that you would.
Call or I call you and we just talk basketball for 30 minutes or so, sometimes longer, and we just talk hoops and that that means something to me. And for someone who grew up in Sacramento. And watch you on TV and you, you and grant and, you know, G man and being a Kings fan and kind of shaping me to, to this career path, it just means a lot to have that with
Jerry Reynolds: you.
Well, thank you. Very, very nice. I, I suppose probably as much as we've talked basketball, which we have happened a lot, you know, is that you've come to realize I'm really not that smart about it. Kinda kind of, uh, one of those does support, but, you know, but no, I, I'd have to say, I mean, that's. That's one of those things that I probably was going to get into a little bit is that, uh, yeah, we, every now and then you'll just, certain things come up.
Yeah. During a season or, you know, and get your thoughts on, or even the college games or what's going on. And, and I know you always have a, have a, a good thought about it. I mean, really, and I mean, Hey, it's always opinions, you know? I mean, there's no, uh, I learned a long time ago that anybody thinks they're a genius and basketball is really got some serious problems.
Dave Deuce Mason: Yeah. I'd say even the good ones make mistakes. We've seen that a lot over the years.
Jerry Reynolds: In all cases. Yep. I mean, I always say that one of the greatest coaches that I've ever known is Pat Riley. And, uh, I also know when he didn't have very many good players, they won 17 games. And so it's almost like you need good players the way that I, you know, I mean, I always said, Hey, you know, Pat didn't get dumber.
He did not. And then within a couple of years, he won a world championship. So, you know, there is that. And, and, but, but I mean, I think. You know, judging talent, whether it's any team, you look at some of the mistakes. Now the Kings have made more than most, that's for sure. Sure. In recent history. So, uh, but anyway, one of the thing that interests me a lot about yourself is.
I think with, with just about anybody in the sports-related field is, is going back into say, when you're in grade school or whatever, uh, how interested were you in not playing sports and following sports, or when did that sort of happen for you?
Dave Deuce Mason: And I was, I was really young. I mean, I remember, uh, my, my mom grew up a Cowboys fan.
Football, and that was mid nineties when the Cowboys were amazing. That's why I was like five years old and midnight. Yeah, 93 and my first memory sports is just watching those Cowboys teams falling in love with Aikman and Irvin and Emmett Smith. And I would go to super bowl parties and I'd be the kid that can name all the offense alignment.
Everyone's amazed and I just loved it. And then basketball, my first memory of basketball, I was again five. And I saw Shaq dunk a basketball, and for me it was, I fell in love with shack. He was in Orlando at the time, and I'd never seen a guy that big dunk the ball like that. I was in awe. And so my first real team growing up when I was super young was the Orlando magic shack made me fall in love with the game.
I had Shaq, everything I checked. You know? Sure. It's posters, books, and then, uh, you went to the Lakers and I was, I was done with them at that
Jerry Reynolds: time. It was interesting too on shack. Uh, one of my memories and I have lot of goes at that time, I was, uh, we were in position, had the seventh pick and in that particular draft, a check was going to be available and there were like Airbus hoping to get number one.
I carried around a Shaq Jersey to New Jersey, you know, and to Kings one. Yeah. Yeah. But where is that thing? I gave it to Jim Thomas, the, uh, the owner, after several years later, you know, he, he didn't even think about, I wish I had forgotten. I wish I had a captain, but it was, you know, he'd titled to it, but it, anyway, of course we didn't get that.
This is the first pick of which would have been shack. But, but it's always interesting to me. A couple of things that I noticed, cause I S I scouting quite a bit in college at LSU and in different places. And there's two things that struck me at that time that guy could run like the wind devil. People tend to think of him in terms of his Laker days, even when he was getting really big.
But when he came out of college, I mean, he. He could run as well as any garden league. And I mean really as well as he was as fast as the Aaron Fox for that matter, just let it speed. Amazing. Powerful.
Dave Deuce Mason: And what I love, I mean, the hoops are different then, but I remember multiple times him breaking the hoops.
They were coming down broke glass on a hoot. Like. It was
Jerry Reynolds: wild. Oh, he was . He was just obviously one of the all time greats. Then the other thing that struck me, cause I'd go around and in those places, I always liked to do that and talk to people. They knew shack, not necessarily coaches and stuff, so you get a real.
Feel, and a lot of times you, you really understood, see a lot of things about certain guys that you know, that aren't so lovely that the what a wonderful guy. You know, he's a real jerk and treats everybody like, but when Shaq's case. You couldn't find him. I didn't really think the world of the guy, if you'll say, just absolutely a delight.
And you see that now in his personality and his commercials and things, and I always remember that going forward, and I'll get off this, but talking to a good friend of mine, Frank Hamblen, who I worked with coaching and, and he'd always say, you know, said everybody, he's the most popular teammate he's ever seen.
You know, just absolutely. Hereby liked him.
Dave Deuce Mason: Yeah. And what he did for the game. I mean, he, I mean, look, he created a fan of me, like when I was a young kid.
Jerry Reynolds: That was the impression I had against him. But yeah. So, so, so anyway, yeah. So that, that kinda got you going. And now, uh. As far as a, an athlete, what, what sports did you play?
What were you good at?
Dave Deuce Mason: I would say this, it wasn't much of an athletic career for Deuce Mason, but I, um, in elementary school, third grade, um, started playing basketball. That was one. I played flag football. I remember going out for tackle football around the same time. I was like, no, I'm not about this. I didn't like it.
And. You know, I didn't, my dad wasn't in my life. My dad was in and out in prison my whole life. Like he'd go in for two years out, in and out, in and out. And so. You know, I had people, good people in my life. My grandparents are awesome. My mom did the best she could under the circumstances, but I don't think I ever had anyone that really pushed me to keep going, keep going.
So a lot of it was up to me to kind of figure out. And so yeah, I played basketball and then I got to middle school. I played basketball. And at that point in time, eighth grade, going into freshman year, my dad was out of prison for a good two years and it got to a point where I was going to go move in with him.
And I try out for the freshman basketball team and it didn't go well, and this was like around the same time he ended up going back to prison. So I don't, I get cut from freshman basketball, which in my mind like how did this even happen? So I get cut, he ends up going back to prison. I never tried out again.
And it's one of those things I regret and I've talked a lot of people about like the regret I have, not trying to it, but what it did do is like. It. It pushed me to try other things and I was like, I want to be in sports broadcasting and journalism in writing. So I started writing. I was in an English class my sophomore year, and we'd have free rights where, write whatever we want.
And I used to always write recaps of the Kings games. Is that right? And my teacher at the time, she said, you should really sign up for like newspaper. You're really into this. So then I went and signed up for newspaper in high school at Del Campo. Uh, become the sports editor, editor and chief. And that's kinda the
Jerry Reynolds: really the awakening, so to speak.
Dave Deuce Mason: I mean, I think I knew I kind of wanted to go the sports route, even when I was like playing in a, you know, even in elementary school, I was just obsessed with broadcasting. I love watching the news. I watch and I was like, should I be a weather person? Should I, I used to record myself calling games in my bedroom was on grand Napier.
Oh, I know. I have your alert. I would, I would literally. Turn down the TV and just call games. I do the same thing with talk shows. I record myself doing mock talk shows. Um,
Jerry Reynolds: how about you? One thing you didn't do, like, granted you didn't go out and at recess in the fourth grade and uh, and, and play, do, play, but play.
Dave Deuce Mason: was not doing play by play recess
Jerry Reynolds: as much, you know, as much as I've done graduated, you know, it's like, and somehow. It didn't surprise
Dave Deuce Mason: me. It doesn't surprise me at all. When you say that, like if for some people that like, really that's interesting to Griff grant, no, it doesn't surprise me at all. Um, so yeah.
I just knew I wanted to go this route. And, um, the Kings were a big part of the reason, right? Like they played a brand of basketball that you just wanted to watch in the early two thousands. And it just made me love the sport even more. You know, you really felt
Jerry Reynolds: debridement. We love the sport more now at Duke, if we'd ever see it again,
Dave Deuce Mason: I would love to see it again
Jerry Reynolds: before I get into total sin.
Right. But, uh, it may not happen. I don't know. So.
Dave Deuce Mason: Yeah, I mean, I, I, I fell in love with it and, um, that's, that's why I went the path I did.
Jerry Reynolds: I noticed too that, uh, you know, in, at Sacramento state, you wrote for the Hornet, you were board's writer's work editor and a show you did you enjoy that? Uh,
Dave Deuce Mason: I did. I would say this, you know, the college experience is weird for me because my journey when I was working at sports 1140.
I got an internship when I was 16 there's one of those unofficial internship. They just let me come in and screen calls and by the time I graduated from high school, I had a part time or doc job there, like working behind the scenes. So I was going to college at the same time, we're going to case U K and to me that was like, that was my life.
Like, Oh, school was cool and I was doing what I needed to do to get through college.
Jerry Reynolds: Like I just
Dave Deuce Mason: want to get through it. So I enjoyed the Hornet and writing for the state Hornet, but I wasn't as like. Invested into it as much as I was invested into case U K cause this is,
Jerry Reynolds: this is,
Dave Deuce Mason: this is what I'm doing.
So yeah, I enjoyed it, but I was very much like I was, I w I would work on the rise guys morning show behind the scenes, get off there, go to school. Yeah, that's terrific show. I thought, Oh yeah, I love those
Jerry Reynolds: guys. I mean, you know, it was Whitey and of course, to the Phantom, and of course cried later on. Mean I thought that it's just a terrific show, or just a, you know, very knowledgeable guys that had fun doing it.
Dave Deuce Mason: Oh yeah. And I mean, I learned a lot from those guys. And just, eh, you, you just watch pros work sometimes and you should have man. Like they just, they just get it. And what always struck me about. All those guys on the rise guys is not only were they good at what they did, they were good people.
Jerry Reynolds: Oh yeah.
Good. I mean, you couldn't help but enjoy being around those guys. I laid eyes around them a good bit, you know, different shows and I mean, I just joined the heck out of it. I just was always excited to go on with them because we'd have a little fun and, and you know, and try to. Talk some sensible things, but not get, you know, it's not life and death.
Dave Deuce Mason: It's the words. It's sports, right? At the end of the day, it's sports, and I felt like they had a great balance of that. And there's so many times in this business too, where like. People are just so full of themselves. They may be the most talented people on the planet, but they're just not nice people.
Jerry Reynolds: And you find that in all professions.
It just rubs me up. I got to interrupt. You know, on this, I noticed now this is something that I have to apologize for ahead of time, is I noticed that you graduated. and it was a 3.6 average. Yeah. So, you know, I be honest with ya, I wouldn't have predicted that graduate with honors while
Dave Deuce Mason: working at KCK behind the scenes.
Jerry Reynolds: I mean, it's pretty impressive, Jerry. Hell, it is. And I mean, obviously you did actually, Burr is considering everything and obviously the issues with your father and I mean, it had to be. Some issues there. I mean, that's, that's really terrific. I appreciate that. I mean, I know I, I was probably a little bit like in the sense that I didn't really, school kind of came easy for me, but, but I didn't do nearly as well as you did because I was.
Just the lazy dog, you know, I, it's like I would do exactly what
Dave Deuce Mason: had to do to get by,
Jerry Reynolds: just to get by, you know, and, and, you know, I always have a little bonus here, you know, just so in case something really went bad, I have a little something fall back on. But, uh, yeah, it just never was.
Dave Deuce Mason: The deal. It wasn't your thing.
Jerry Reynolds: Yeah. I mean, grant, I have to say graduate school, but that time I was kind of a little more mature and I took, I did pretty well then, but, but you know, when you're married and go into that, that'll motivate you a little
Dave Deuce Mason: bit. Yeah. They'll find you out
Jerry Reynolds: with a kid and all that. Then all fired up. But, but yeah, I thought that was kind of interesting.
Now the, then looking through your career to, you know, I mean obviously you've done just about everything. Obviously. Uh, 1140, uh, you know, uh, always. You remember, uh, you, you and Morgan on the, uh, the noon show with Jason Ross, which, which I thought was terrific. I mean, it was kinda like the, the rise guys in my mind.
And of course, I've always said J Ross is, you know, if there's such a thing as a perfect,
Dave Deuce Mason: uh,
Jerry Reynolds: host, I always said he could. I think he could do anything. I think he could fit in with. Any group, but you guys are really such a nice fit. And I guess that's why they decided to break it up. He didn't want something to actually work.
Dave Deuce Mason: Yeah. I mean, reflecting that, and that was honestly a big motivating factor. You know, I'm big on motivation with sir. I use things that to fire me up a little bit. You know, I . Well, whether it's the stuff with my dad or you know, when KCK decided to go in a new direction, like we had a great thing going noon to three with me.
Jerry Reynolds: was great.
Dave Deuce Mason: It was great. And I, I mean, I, I will stand by that. It was the most fun I've had doing radio and I've had a lot of fun doing radio and it's nothing against anyone else I worked with. It was just, it was fun. It worked. It wasn't too serious. It wasn't too goofy. It was a good balance.
And I felt like people connected with it and that, that's why to this day. We stopped doing that show in 2015 people still reference things that happened on that show or topics or fun moments to this day. And so stuck with people and you know, obviously they, they weren't totally thrilled at the time with how things were going in the morning.
So they thought, you know, bring me and Morgan to the morning could kind of boost things up. And. To be Frank. It just didn't work. It didn't work. You know? And sometimes those things don't work. And, um, I
Jerry Reynolds: don't see how any, you know, I mean, you know, Carmichael, Dave real, he's just terrific. But I, I mean, just a morning show by nature gotta be tough, I think, just to get up and Oh and get, you know, I don't know.
Dave Deuce Mason: Yeah. I mean, that's definitely a grind, you know, it just didn't click. You know, sometimes it's like a basketball, like sometimes you, you put these talented pieces together and you think, Oh, this will work. And then you get on the
Jerry Reynolds: court and you go. No chemistry, not working. You can't, you can't always. Right.
Dave Deuce Mason: And on the mid day show, the chemistry was real. There was nothing fake about it. And look, I'm not saying you have to, like everyone you work with. Um, it just w it wasn't, it wasn't there. And they decided to at the time, uh, let us go. It was like April fool's day, 2016. Yeah. And you know, I. That one was, you know, people didn't believe it.
When we announced it on Twitter. They thought we were joking and it wasn't a joke, but that date now for one 16 I'm like, yeah, I think about that now because it's motivated me. Like, okay, you you by deciding to go a different direction told me it without saying it. Dow wasn't good enough, and so I just went, okay, let's go.
Let's go. So within the matter, after that ended, it was like. Okay. Huddled with Morgan, like we got to do a podcast. Then good day Sacramento calls us and it's like, Hey, you want to do TV? I'm like, yeah, yeah, of course I do. Let's go. And so it was, it was more like, I. I, I didn't let it, like bring me down. I was confident enough in my abilities and I was like, all right, let's, let's go.
Let's figure this out. And it worked out.
Jerry Reynolds: Reminds me a lot of, uh, Gary Gerald on some time ago, and of course the G man. Great. But generally, that's one of the things that I think, you know, he really used, you know, he was on longtime, uh, channel three and, uh. You know, it's one of those deals, they decided, well, we gotta have a younger guy go different direction, whatever.
They always say we need to go a different direction, sometimes directions right into the wall. You know what I mean? It's like, it's true. You know what I mean? Really. But anyway, so they let G mango, but I mean, it was a much like yourself. It's like, okay, we're going to find, we want us, you know, he had other opportunities, but we want to stay in Sacramento and just found a way to make it work, you know?
And it's obviously worked out great.
Dave Deuce Mason: It has. And I'm not. I mean, I'm not naive to think that like I may have to move at some point in my life to a different market if I want to continue to grow and stuff like that. But ultimately, if I had my choice, I'd love to be in Sacramento and stay here. I'm born and raised here.
I left once to go to San Francisco with the rise guys for a year, and then I came back and I. I love the city, you know, so much passion. I think the fan base is so unique that the passion, I mean, great
Jerry Reynolds: diamond, great climate. I mean, it's always said to me, I mean, being a Midwesterner, it's, it's really, it's like the Midwest more than it is the East and West coast.
It's more like the Midwest with great climate. Right? And I think that because of the people, you know, you actually have people who actually work for
Dave Deuce Mason: me. I feel like a connection to with them. And that's a big deal to me. So ultimately. You know, obviously my goal now is I want to, I want, definitely want to do play by play at the next level, at the NBA level and big long term.
I'd love to be on TNC doing play live, play. That would be like the ultimate dream job. So. Yeah, I would probably move to any other NBA city know
Jerry Reynolds: you, you know, no reason to apologize for that. I always said it's just like players. I tell players, I mean, over the years it's like you've got to keep in mind you're an individual contractor.
Yeah. And I mean, it's not that, uh, you know, that you, you know, there's, you can have a certain amount of loyalty, but there is a point where you gotta be loyal to yourself first. And, and I think sometimes, yeah. You know, you don't want to hurt your own career by saying, well, I want to be loyal to this radio station or whatever.
When, when, if it's to their advantage. I mean,
Dave Deuce Mason: you bring up with sports like Blake Griffin a couple of years ago, it's this big time deal with the Clippers. He's a clipper for life. They treat them three months later.
Jerry Reynolds: Yeah. Yeah. You're clipper for life. We've decided to kill you. I used to bring him to the story cotton.
Great late, great cotton. Fitzsimmons is a good friend of mine and a mentor over the years and different, different places. But, uh, he was telling me he'd pretty much, you know, kind of. Tired it with the Phoenix suns. And he said, you know, they're paying me $400,000 a year for life, you know, not just basically meet fans and why golf?
And I said, yeah, that's a great gig. I said, cotton, think thing I'd worry about is at some point you might realize it'd be cheaper just to have you killed our Hitman. So if I was you, I'd be 100,000 yeah, I was going to say, there is a point where it's like, eh. Why did we do this for a thousand years? Just kidding.
I'm off. So, so anyway, but, uh, how old were you? What we're talking about there, but, Oh, uh, let's go say, yeah, the, uh, really got a kick out of watching the . Uh, 31 with you. Got you. And Morgan doing the G league game. Yeah. You know, you're gonna have four or five, I think, games on 31. Right. And for the Stockton Kings G league, for those of you, uh, not fully aware, it's, you know, the minor league, and it really is, I won't say second best league in basketball because of Europe, but it's, it's, uh, certainly better.
There's more talented than the G league, then there is the ACC or the big 10 and write stuff, which most people don't really understand
Dave Deuce Mason: now. That's true. And the G league, it's growing. It's getting better. I think teams are using it better. I think they're, it's a true developmental system now, or when it first launched and there was like eight teams and people kind of scoffed at it.
But yeah, you know, there's 28 I think 28 G league teams going on.
Jerry Reynolds: The goal is to get the dirty to get to all 30 involved and, and I mean, you know, treat it more like a. It should be treated to where, you know, it is a true minor league, triple a common situation, or even maybe a little better. But I think the key is, of course pay guys better because there, there's, there's this probably 30% of players that probably should be in that league are either in Europe or China,
Dave Deuce Mason: Australia, Australia, because
Jerry Reynolds: of money.
And so I, I'd be be, you know, I think the league, you know. Some point need to.
Dave Deuce Mason: That's the next
Jerry Reynolds: step for sure. Next step, you know, and they've made steps. I will say that with the two way contracts and all that, I. I dunno, I, I've always thought that the league needs to get back to Trafton at least a third round and maybe even a fourth round, because that would give you players.
Dave Deuce Mason: And then the ones they allow guys to come out of high school. Again, I think that's the league. We'll go that route. Then maybe you'll see something like that because then you can, you can draft us, you know, 18 year old and go, yeah, we're going to use him a lot individually
Jerry Reynolds: and the G league where he, you know, where he can play.
And, and I think that. We're starting to see that a little more too, but years ago, even when they had a minor league as they do now, but a lottery pick, for instance, just would not be sent to the G league. Right. So while we drafted a larger, so we got a plane and he's like, he's not ready to play. Right. But it's
Dave Deuce Mason: a public perception thing.
Yeah. It's amazing. There's too many teams who think that way. It's like you got to stop worrying about. Public perception and thinking
Jerry Reynolds: about, yeah, quit worrying about winning a press conference or, you know, that sort of thing. I always say that was one of the things I thought was a real mistake. The franchise made with Ben Macklemore, I think, you know, Ben's now starting to kind of carve out a niche firm.
So finally, but, but he was a guy who really could have benefited by a G league experience playing a lot of men. He played a lot of misnamed VA, but it was, it wasn't ready. He wasn't ready and it, it, it. Just doesn't serve itself very well. I always say kind of like the, the idea of the Indian NFL, you know, they bring in these young quarterbacks and most of them get torn up and destroyed on because in the first year or two rather than in years past, it automatically would be backups for a couple
Dave Deuce Mason: of years.
Like Aaron Rogers and Brett
Jerry Reynolds: Faraj. Absolutely. And even Patrick, my homes, you know, we've spent a year behind Alex Smith and he said how much that really helped him. I'm sure it did. So anyway,
Dave Deuce Mason: no, I'm with you on that. And it's the winning the press conference thing is so overrated and so many franchises think that way.
It's like you want to win, win on the court or the field. That's what fans are gonna love.
Jerry Reynolds: And that's what you gotta do and you can't make, and you cannot make everybody happy. You know? I mean, I always thought Jeff Beecher made a great statement years ago. He said, you know, if you, if you want to lead the band right.
You have to turn your back to the audience. Uh, I mean, that's just the reality of it. Yeah. You, you know, at some point everybody's got an opinion about this or that, or this guy out of play. I always used to tell fans, you know, they say, well, this guy to play more. I said, well, exactly. Who needs to play less?
You know, both ways. Yeah. If you, if you want this guy in the game and tell me who you want to take weight, I don't really. Well, you're not serving any purpose. Right. You know, and, and that's, uh, that's the thing, you know, I always thought about people playing back coaching. Well, they, I don't know understand why they don't block out, or why don't they tell it?
Don't the coach tell him to block out. Yeah. Maybe they do tell them and maybe they just don't. They don't. The truth is, who do they block out in the day's game? It's all spread out. You know, a block at Donna, you go back, you go, you just react to the ball and go get it. That's it. That's it. But anyway, I'll go on a tangent.
Dave Deuce Mason: I know you're talking about Julie, and like I, once I knew that. When they said, Hey, the team's going to relocate from Reno to Stockton. I talked some people with the Kings. I said, look, I want to try it. Play by play. I don't know what the plans are, but I'd love to be considered and you know, a couple of months from buying and really hear anything.
So I just wanted to put it out there because I want the opportunity. And a couple months go by, they, they, they talked to some people and they just said, Hey, do you want to do this? I'm like, are you kidding me? Yes. Absolutely. And, um, I'm so glad I did because I, I mean, I. I love it. And it's something I probably should have done earlier on, whether it was like high school or some college pushed for that, but I was even worried about doing talk shows and other things I was just doing.
So we have
Jerry Reynolds: other commitments.
Dave Deuce Mason: Yeah. So now that I have this opportunity, it's just. It's amazing. I love it, but I like, I don't want to just do one thing either. I want to be able to do play by play. I want to do talk shows. I want to do some TV. I just want to be versatile enough to .
Jerry Reynolds: I always say that's a, you know, kinda long, like my take on all.
But the superstars and basketball, I mean, a player needs to find a way to be productive. Now, if that means being a two guard or three or small forward or an off the bench player, it doesn't really. It's up to you to find a way to be productive
Dave Deuce Mason: and be a star in your role.
Jerry Reynolds: And I was just tell guys, you know, they'd be bitching about minutes or something, and I say, you know, if you want to, you know, the key for you partner is find a way to be in the league 10 years, whatever it takes, and you'll be rich.
And that's what I'd concentrated on. Now, if you want to worry about getting 15 minutes as opposed to, uh, 12 minutes, if that's gonna make you unhappy, you probably, it's probably gonna get short for you. Yeah. And
Dave Deuce Mason: then you're only going to get like four years. So that 10
Jerry Reynolds: yeah. Well, that's a thing too. It's like for every player in the NBA, and you guys, you know, doing the G league, there's a couple of equally talented guys in the G league that aren't, that aren't there.
They could be for maybe different reasons, some, some justifiable, some opportunity to just not quite getting it mentally, how to, how to do it. And, uh, you know, I mean, that's a. That's, but some guys just never figure it out.
Dave Deuce Mason: That's the difference, right? Between the G league and NBA, these guys are still the G league.
Super talented. I mean, I remember last year we watched, it was Santa Cruz Stockton in a scrimmage, and I saw this combo guard out there and he was destroying. I'm like, who is that? It was Kendrick nod. I'm like, how is this guy not in the NBA?
Jerry Reynolds: But now
Dave Deuce Mason: a year later, he's starting in Miami on a good team, on
Jerry Reynolds: a really good team.
That's another thing too. There's another example of a obstinate franchise. It. It's always seems to do it right. You know, I mean, you see the, the Utah's and, uh, Indiana's and the San Antonio's Miami's are always find somebody, you know, it's like last, I don't want to get into in particular game, but I mean, I, I mean, besides none, I mean, you know, a Tyler hero, a late pick,
Dave Deuce Mason: Dunkin Robinson,
Jerry Reynolds: frickin Robinson.
Dave Deuce Mason: He was in the G league last year. Last
Jerry Reynolds: game. Yeah. I mean, they're one of the elite teams. Yeah. You know, a
Dave Deuce Mason: Vincent who was just playing for Stockton gets a two way deal with Miami. Yeah. Miami does things the right way, like, and it's, you know, Riley sets the tone. He set it with LeBron too. Like LeBron. He is great as he is.
He does take over franchises with Cleveland, with the Lakers. He wasn't able to do the same. I am me and Pat because Pat Riley set the tone. You have a basketball
Jerry Reynolds: gallery. We have our game plane and you get to fly on it. Yes. Not the everybody else. That doesn't play. Contract employee type thing. And so, yeah, I would say there's a, you know, a few that, uh, certainly are ahead of the curve and it kind of shows up in that, in that sort of thing.
But, you know, like, uh, kinda like, we just touched on it. I think, you know, going forth, uh, I mean, you know, obviously a lot of ways you can go with your career and, and, and I think with the. Obviously the experience you're getting with the Stockton Kings, I mean, uh, is that, is, is that kind of an area where you feel like that might be your.
Dave Deuce Mason: I mean, I think so. I used to when I was younger, just because of how I,
Jerry Reynolds: first of all, how old are you?
Dave Deuce Mason: I'm 31 Oh one I'm talking about young. I'm the youngest. When I was a little kid, when I was a little kid, I used to stress about everything like . My grandma tells me like I stress about money as a kid, which I'm like, really?
That's a five years old that is stressing about money. And that was just because of this financial situation we were in as a family.
Jerry Reynolds: Why stress about money? But that's okay, but you know, rental stuff. But I do, yeah. Five year old shouldn't be worried
Dave Deuce Mason: about that. So I used to always like get stressed about the future, what's going to happen.
And now I feel like I'm finally to the point where I'm confident in myself that it's gonna work out. Like I would not have predicted this path. For where I was going. Like I thought, okay, I do a talk show and that's kinda, I didn't think I was going to be working on good day. I didn't think I was going, you know?
So I'm a big believer that if you work hard, you treat people well, it's gonna work out. So I'm just not, I'm not gonna stress about like, what's the next, I think it's going to, as long as I keep working hard. And I, I, I don't, you know, take plays off, so to speak and, and, and work hard, like it's gonna work out for me.
And I, I don't know when that's going to be, I'm not going to stress about that. I'm happy doing what I'm doing right now, and I hope there's a lot more in the
Jerry Reynolds: future. Good philosophy. I mean, because I think a lot of young people do those, you know, basically get ahead of themselves. Just say, well, I'm, I'm qualified to do this job.
Okay. It doesn't make any difference. I mean, uh, uh, prepare yourself to do the job and when the opportunity comes, uh, then you're prepared. Sure. It doesn't mean it's just gonna happen just that day. Oh, I'm prepared. Okay, well, sure. There'll be five people want to hire you for that thing. You think you're right.
Uh, qualified for, I mean, you know, I mean, it just doesn't work that way. There's a ton of, and there's a ton of people, or a lot of people may be equally qualified. Absolutely. And so. Yeah. You know, just don't spend time worrying about what you can't control. But like you say, what you can control is preparing
Dave Deuce Mason: yourself.
And it used to bug me when I saw other people get jobs around the country, like, Oh, I'm just as good. And I went, no. Like they're, they're working hard, they built relations. They're doing the same thing. Just don't worry. Like you said, just work. You can control your own destiny. Just
Jerry Reynolds: work on yourself. And you may be, it certainly could be true.
I mean that, yes, you. Probably are, could have more talent. Sure. A particular person. But, uh, but what,
Dave Deuce Mason: what are you doing as a person to get there, you know, to
Jerry Reynolds: get there. So I do think, yeah, they will always get people. I'm sure you get people got come up and say, well, you know, I want to be a, uh, sports analysts like you, but what did you do to get dressed?
Oh, I don't know, 50 years of coaching in college and do it every time. And reading everything I could read. And I said, certainly TV wasn't. And I wasn't while I was preparing for, but I said, you know, what I do is not like a play by play person. I said, if you want to do what grant does, uh, you better go to college and study it and prepare for it and put in years and years and years.
But now for what I do is, well, you better be a former player, uh, and have some background as a player and knowledge and or coaching or something of that nature. I said. That's just the way it is.
Dave Deuce Mason: Well, I think about your path, cause I remember a couple of years ago I did that long form podcast on kind of your journey, which was so fun to learn about your journey and talk to other people about you.
But I mean you, you came to Sacramento. I don't think you envisioned when you came to Sacramento in 1985 that you would be here in 2020
Jerry Reynolds: Oh, of course not. No, I, I mean, I can tell you, you know, I thought. Me and my wife talk. I said, well, you know, if things go well, we maybe can get two or three years out of it and maybe I can get a a division one college coaching job.
And, and, you know, and then get back to kind of where I thought that I thought I should've been on. I mean, I thought I should have been, you know, division one coach, uh, sooner, uh, anyway, and never got the opportunities. I'll always remember one from national championships and I'd go in a couple of interviews and they'd say, well.
You don't have any experience at the division one level. And I said, no, that's kind of what I'm trying to get, you know? I mean, but, but that's, yeah, that's kinda what I thought. I mean, I didn't certainly didn't anticipate having an opportunity to be a head coach or all the other things, and certainly TV that wasn't right.
Dave Deuce Mason: And so you, I mean, you, you just take assistant GM, the monarchs, TV. I mean. You would not predicted any of that. But like you put yourself in a position because you know the game, you're good PR. I mean, no one has a bad thing to say about you. You know? That's the other thing. That's a big deal. And so it, it's just cool that, that you came here in 1985 thing.
Hey, I'm gonna be here a couple of years. And see what happens and now this is, this is where you live. This
Jerry Reynolds: is similar to too, in a lot of ways to do what, what you've went through though. I mean, I think a person really has to be willing to kind of sometimes step back from what you want to do. Okay. They don't want me and this role.
I'll take this role and try to whatever it is, try to. Make it the best I can make it type thing. You know, I always say it kinda goes back to, I've said before, my dad kind of explained a couple of things to me when I was working on the golf course. My job was Raycon, uh, sand traps and mow and bunkers, and I came home bitch.
And you know, like that was days is like 80 cents an hour was minimum wage. But I mean, of course that doesn't seem
Dave Deuce Mason: 12 is
Jerry Reynolds: just about. And, and I was a bitch about it. And, uh, and that's a Welp. He said, boy, they're paying you $6 a day. What you do is give him $7 a day worth and it'll all work out, you know, and I, you know, and I, of course, I have to read what's he know, uh, exactly right.
You know, I mean, I think that's what any employee he should do is try to figure out a way. They get more than they're paying you, and then they'll find a way to keep you around.
Dave Deuce Mason: That's a good point. That's a good lesson. Right?
Jerry Reynolds: So anyway, anyway, of course, that's probably why dad didn't ever made a bunch of money.
I don't know.
Dave Deuce Mason: He was just satisfied.
Jerry Reynolds: Vegas. There's a little bit of that, but, uh, no, I think too, I want to get into, you know, your relationship, you and Morgan Reagan, you know, you guys are a great team and been a team, uh, for a number of years. Just about. Just about everything. Yeah. So when did that all start?
Dave Deuce Mason: So I was working at case UK. I met her at a King's game. She was an intern at news 10 at the time with Sean Cunningham, Brian Mae, Ryan Yamamoto, those guys. Good guys, great guys. And so we're talking, and you know, she's, she's got a little fiery personality, you know, she's not really breaking
Jerry Reynolds: news. She'll go out you a little bit.
And I was like, have
Dave Deuce Mason: you ever thought about sports? You should like the intro sports radio. She was clearly interested in it in that. Kind of field. So she started interning at KSDK as well. And you know, she just clicked right away and it was like, okay, cool. And me and Jason were like, we should put her on air.
Or sometimes it's, you know, and eventually she just became part of the show and they eventually, you know, case case, like, we got to hire her and you know, she, she worked hard to get there, you know, because she. Her, her drain is different too. And I know you're going to talk to her about it, but you know, she wasn't watching sports.
Like I was grown up. She was playing sports.
Jerry Reynolds: Yeah. That was her thing is you can play a
Dave Deuce Mason: ball, you know? So she's, she comes at it from a different perspective and it, and being a woman in the industry trying to be in a male
Jerry Reynolds: dominated. Yeah. Extra tough.
Dave Deuce Mason: Yeah. It's tough. But she, she comes in and it's like. You know, people respect her.
And so she, she's been able to click right away. And you know, obviously we all got close working on, um, with Jason Ross. And then once we went to the morning, stay close, and after that ended, it was like, it was almost natural. It was, you know, we're going to, we gotta do a podcast then we got it. Keep this going cause we have chemistry.
And you know, that was tough for her on the morning show too, because she had a pretty prominent role with the mid days and leadership at the time there. And it's no longer there. They, they, they thought, yeah, w just let Doosan Dave talk and kind of reduced her role. They almost like, Hey, be the, and you see it sometimes on sports shows where it's like, Hey, the woman on the show, just ask questions.
And that's what she turned into. And I'm just like, Ugh, this is so bad. Fleeting for her, but also like, I know what
Jerry Reynolds: she had. Can I say? I've heard it, you know?
Dave Deuce Mason: Yeah. And so once that ended, it was so cool to, you know what, Morgan? We're doing a pocket podcast together as I knock over my coffee, a podcast together, and you're going to talk
Jerry Reynolds: like this is, yeah, this is an equal partnership
Dave Deuce Mason: here.
And it's been fun to just see her grow. And turn into a really talented broadcaster,
Jerry Reynolds: no question about it. And kind of on that note, I think, uh, we'll move, uh, to the next, uh, uh, little situation. We've got planned and, and, and certainly we want to get. Well plan a for the audience. We will have Morgan and not only on, but we'll also have Morgan and Deuce for all that struggle.
So that will, no question will be nothing but trouble. And there'll be some expos A's coming. So, uh, thank you, Deuce for me. Really. I've enjoyed it and hopefully, uh, fans, we've got a little different look at Dave Deuce. Mason appreciated. Jerry.
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