S01E10 - Morgan "Mo" Ragan
S01E10 - Morgan "Mo" Ragan
Morgan Ragan has a love for sports and an obsession for basketball with over 10 years of experience in TV, radio and podcasting. Morgan is the current the color commentator for the Stockton Kings (NBA G-League) along with Deuce Mason.
Jerry Reynolds: Well, welcome again to the Jerry Reynolds show here at the beautiful studios at McCreery's Home Furnishings. And, uh, and obviously, as we say all the time, if you want the best furniture in Sacramento, this is where you'd come, not to the studio, but to McCreery's furniture store here on the Auburn Boulevard.
So that, with that note, uh, got a wonderful guest here. Uh, one of the more gifted, uh. Young, uh, TV analyst and, uh, podcasters, and I don't know what else do you do, Morgan? Morgan Ragan, by the way. Uh, we, you know, you probably already know who she is, but Morgan Ragan, and we'll get into all of her, uh, career situations.
Morgan 'Mo' Ragan: Yes. Thanks Jerry. That's sweet of you. Um, goodness. There's been so many things throughout the years because, you know, and this career field. You have to be able to do everything. So that's why it's funny. Whenever people do ask, I just say the main thing that I do. And then when they're like, Oh, well, what else do you do?
That's when then I rattle on digital. This King saw calm this, uh, I did sideline reporting here. I was a radio host here. I did, you know, good day Sacramento here. So
Jerry Reynolds: it was really amazing. I mean, your verse to tell to your versatility, uh, of all the things, of course, but as you said, I mean, you know, something you, you just have to do in order to.
Just stay in the business and create your known niche, so to speak, I think.
Morgan 'Mo' Ragan: Yeah. And how crazy is that? I am sure you know, just you've seen this business for so long now and you get to see like, Oh, you get to be good at one thing, kind of going, you know, growing through the years and obviously. You were great with.
You got to do so many other things with coaching and being a GM and then broadcasting. But if you want to be a broadcast or nowadays it's, okay, well, what can you do on social media? What can you do with writing? What can you do? Um, on camera even? I feel like a lot of these writers that I've known around the Sacramento Kings now, they're like, they used to only just write, write, write, columns, articles, whatever it may be, and now they're like.
Are companies forcing us to do podcasts, our companies forcing us to do on camera work, like in, sometimes they're awkward, but it's great because they're, they're learning something new,
Jerry Reynolds: something new, and really how difficult it is to cause 'em times. You don't really realize how difficult someone else's job is to get in their shoes a little long walk down that road.
Morgan 'Mo' Ragan: that's exactly it and that's what I've even realized with all this. It's like, Oh, that wasn't as easy. As I thought it was going to be. Oh, the amount of prep and homework that goes into this is why that job, why someone gets paid that money and why that's a full time gig. You know? Even though it's a once every.
Two weeks that they're doing something. Sometimes
Jerry Reynolds: the thing I'd like to kind of get into a little bit, cause I know your, your backgrounds, you know, unique cause you were an outstanding player. Basketball in particular. And now what high school did you go to and when did this start and start occurring?
Morgan 'Mo' Ragan: The stardom so. I went to, my parents moved to granite Bay before, and that's kind of granite Bay, Roseville area. And it was before granite Bay high school was even built. Um, we lived in a small house where a shared room with my sister, and I remember we had a little hoop outside, like it just came with the house.
I think it was cricket and everything. And. Started just taking a ball and playing out there. And then my dad's like, Oh, you like this. Then here, let's get into directly gone a rec league. And then once granite Bay high school was built, um, went to granite Bay high school, played there. And just being honest, they never had a good woman's program almost ever.
But. W something great happened. My S all four years, I played on varsity my sophomore year. We were the first and still the only woman's basketball team to win, um, the SFL title. And so I know, I know. It was, it was, it was a really cool accomplishment for the program. And, but then. After that, you know, nothing more.
And so I had to go into AAU because obviously if you're going to play at this high school, like you're not going to be seen. And I wanted to be seen. I wanted to, um, explore what kind of scholarship options I could produce out of this talent that I had. And um, and so yes. And then I played a lot of AAU basketball in the area as well.
Jerry Reynolds: Now what was your position?
Morgan 'Mo' Ragan: I was a point guard and shooting guard. I think. This is so funny talking about my game right now and being like, Oh, so I think I was a really good shooter, but my, my, the way that I could see the floor, I was a quarterback. And that's what I enjoyed most. And even now when I look at the game of basketball, I enjoy.
A solid point guard. And that's not on the stat sheet all the time,
Jerry Reynolds: you know? Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's a, you know, there's no stat for leadership and getting people in the right places, things of that nature. But that's, that's the job.
Morgan 'Mo' Ragan: Right. And even, cause even sometimes people go, well, that's a, and it's like, no, that's not even, I mean, the way that.
You are being a floor manager and telling your teammates where to go and you're seeing them and it goes, it goes from your beautiful pass to which then goes into the assisted pass to the basket. It all starts with you. And so I felt like that's what I did growing up. I felt like I just saw the floor and could do that.
But when you don't have pieces around you. In high school. That was hard in AAU. It was awesome. I was around girls at the time that could dunk. They went to SAC high, but then you know, I got to play with them and it was, yeah, it was great cause then it also brought Scouts to all of our games when we traveled the country to go play basketball.
Jerry Reynolds: What is amazing to me with the women's game, how rapidly it's improved. I wish I had. When I started getting involved with the monarchs and trying to learn and understand the women's game, I always said that it's, it's improved at a more rapid rate than the men's game know. I mean, partially just having a, you know, finally having people involved and, and, and, you know, all that, uh, it brings, you're getting, you know, when I first started watching it, you know, very seldom did you see a really, uh.
A girl really with a hard drive pull off off the dribble with a jump shot.
Morgan 'Mo' Ragan: Totally. It wasn't as explosive, right?
Jerry Reynolds: No, no. And now it's, you know, it, it, it is, and I mean, you're seeing the athleticism and, and, and the physicality of it, you know, I mean, to where, you know, the, the women's game is becoming, you know, more physical, you know, as the talented, but it's all part of the, I think the process.
Morgan 'Mo' Ragan: I agree. I think it's also the access that people have to different, um. Sure. Training and access to knowledge of how to play the game and how to play the game at the highest level. Well, the highest level is the MBA, so why not try to copy what these guys are doing in the MBA? And that's what I used to do.
I used to take an app on my phone and. And this is what we even talked about the other day. Obviously with Kobe's passing, I used to take videos of Coby and I would practice his footwork and how he would get his shot off so quick. And people, I think only Hooper's really understand how wonderful his footwork work was and how much it really created space for him to get these shots off and do what he needed to do.
I wanted to do that well. I obviously wasn't doing that just like him, but I was, I remember when I was practicing really hard, I could get there. And so when I practice how to play, like honestly a man. In the NBA. That's when I noticed my a game going higher. And I think that's happened for a lot of women being like, Oh, I'm not just going to settle.
And people say, Oh, women can't dunk, so I'm not going to try. Not, no. I'm going to do as many plyometrics and work that I can do to dunk like that guy right there.
Jerry Reynolds: Oh yeah, absolutely. No, I think that's absolutely happened. And I know with the now moving on from your basketball career, and, and of course now, when did you know at what age did you kind of think.
Right, well, I've taken this playing thing about as far as I can, and I really do have an interest, you know, in sports, all sports or whatever, and and can I make a career out of this?
Morgan 'Mo' Ragan: So that was around 22 I want to say, and I wanted to keep playing. Because I wanted to go play pro and ball and I did in San Francisco and I was like, if I couldn't go overseas, then I can become, you know, a semi-pro player and get into broadcasting.
That was how my mindset went because I didn't know anybody that was in broadcasting. I didn't know how. Any other ways, I only knew basketball. I knew sports, so how was I going to do this? So. Once my body gave up and my shoulder just came dislocating out of my socket every second to know. I was like, okay,
Jerry Reynolds: that's not good.
Morgan 'Mo' Ragan: No, I don't think you can play if you don't have a left hand anymore. Right. No. So that's when I started interning with news 10 I went back to school cause you had to be enrolled in a class. So I took a journalism class and I went back to school too. Get into broadcasting now in a high school, though, I was part of a broadcasting program since I was 1314 years old because I knew I wanted to do TV, but I knew I wanted to do sports.
As I got older.
Jerry Reynolds: It's great to have the program there to really
Morgan 'Mo' Ragan: so, so lucky. I mean, granite Bay high school, you know, obviously a school with a lot of money growing up and having that access to. A studio and I'm reading off a teleprompter and doing a daily Bolton, like I was like, this makes me feel all the fields.
And you feel like, the other thing I loved about it though, you felt like everyone was a teammate. The person behind the camera, the person doing the lights, the person doing the audio. And they are, and that's, and I think that's where I felt like I was still in a sport. So that's why I wanted to continue that after I was done doing a sport.
So I did that. Uh, and then start interning for news 10. And I was like, I'm going to get into sports broadcasting.
Jerry Reynolds: I always say that that's a great point you made on the, the. The team aspect of it, because I've always had, over the years with the Kings, people would say, well, it's really tough. How do you, you know, keep enters.
The team's not very good on. So, yeah, but I said, our team, the broadcast team, and that's really who you start identifying with, you know, when you're traveling with them all the time and, and, and really have your Messiah. So our team is. Our team is really good. Yeah. You know, and we have great chemistry, so, so, so that makes all the difference.
Now, you know, and there, over the years there's been not maybe one, maybe two guys that, you know, didn't quite fit, just like any,
Morgan 'Mo' Ragan: they don't buy in.
Jerry Reynolds: Yeah. Just like, just like any kind of team on the court, you know, that sort of thing. And, uh,
Morgan 'Mo' Ragan: and how funny is that though, after a game, and this is what's so fun too, cause now that I do.
Color for the NBA, G league color analyst. Um, which once again, for people who don't know, that's what Jerry was doing at a much higher level. But when you have a good game as a color analyst, like you call just this awesome broadcast, even if your team loses, but you, you called it. You didn't call it like a Homer, you called it for both teams.
So even if the other team is throwing it down, they have these amazing highlights and you're just, you're just having some great calls. How good you feel. Like you want a game sometimes.
Jerry Reynolds: Yeah. You know, it, it does certainly take away a little bit, a good bit of the pain. I mean, when you, when you've had a, you know, and like, you make a good point.
I, I've always said, I, I'm a Homer. I'll never deny that, but, uh, uh. I really love basketball. So, you know, when the Kings are playing bad or, you know, and granddaughter in the game, I, I could, you know, appreciate the other team. You know, if they're playing great. And, and, you know, and if you're seeing, uh, terrific players playing at, at a high level, you know, I mean, it's like, you know, I mean, if you can't appreciate greatness, you know, and I mean, I words, that's how I say, that's what I, I appreciate the most.
It's the competitive greatness guys who really, you know, or. Putting it out there every night. And, and, uh, so, you know, I say it's easy to find something kind of good, even in a bad game. Uh, I think, and, and I think that's, you know, that's where the enjoyment is, you know, for me, it's like, Hey, the ball goes up.
Hey, it's basketball, love it. And so as a Homer, I hope the Kings are playing good so I can make stole their outstanding play, but if not, well. There's no reason I can't give, be fair to the other team and try to, and I think maybe B, which it took me a while to get there, to be fair to the officials. Uh, because early on it was like, you know, it's been way too much time.
Well, that call, blah, blah, blah, blah. You know, they got an impossible job. And I would say, you know, if players are allowed to. Really one of my bugs, Hey, you know, the NBA needs to get on top of this where players think they've got a comment on every call and argue about it. It's like, wait a minute. How many officials run up to a player after they missed a layup?
Say, why you stupid pool? You missed a layup. What's wrong with you? They ought to be allowed to do that or run over to a coach. What kind of substitution was that? That was stupid. What'd you call a time out there? You know what I mean? It'd be the same kind of mentality here and, and I don't think we. You know, I mean these guys, as far as I'm concerned, they deserve a lot more respect on the court from all the participants.
And I think the NBA and the players association are making a huge mistake and not getting control of that.
Morgan 'Mo' Ragan: I completely agree. Cause I remember in even at the college level, you know, there's more discipline. You're getting yelled at by a coach being like. You, you want to go take your time and yell at a referee, you can sit your ass on the bench.
Jerry Reynolds: excuse me, I, no, you didn't. Yeah. Or,
Morgan 'Mo' Ragan: you know,
Jerry Reynolds: I kinda like it, you know, of course, I'm, as you know, older than dirt, but I always remember, you know, the days when you made a foul and you had to raise your hand, and that was, that was it.
Morgan 'Mo' Ragan: It's like a respect factor. Like, Hey, it's me. It's on me.
Jerry Reynolds: I wouldn't, you know, I'd have no problem with the head coach.
Being able to have a brief chat or the captain designated captain, yes. You know, something like that. But, but to me, it just takes away from the game when you have every call, every player, it totally does. They have to have an opinion.
Morgan 'Mo' Ragan: Well, it takes away from the game. But thinking about, again, going back to that team aspect, it takes away from the T.
it's deflating when you have one player every single time complaining about the cause, you're like, be better than that. But you're absolutely right. Because then there are those calls where you're like. We need to have a voice. We need to tell the official why
Jerry Reynolds: at least have an opinion. Cause they me and there are missed calls.
I don't know any official day that because it's impossible game to call. And, uh, you know, I was on TV a few times that my experience at officiating, you know, I officiate high school, so I'm in Indiana. In my last game, me and my partner got a police escort out of town because there were people beating on the, I mean, we were in danger.
Morgan 'Mo' Ragan: What did you do, Jerry? What do
Jerry Reynolds: you do? I thought I call it a good game, but it wasn't what the home team was and I always said that. I know we got. 1520 miles out of town and found a bar and, and like weed drank up by everything we made officiating. And I said, you know, this, this makes no sense
Morgan 'Mo' Ragan: to the shop for every whistle you blow.
Jerry Reynolds: Yeah. So, anyway, but, uh, now with your, uh, I know you, you, you work with a junior. King's program. I'd like to get your thoughts on that. Tell me about that and what, what, what a you like, what's your role in that?
Morgan 'Mo' Ragan: So it's funny that you bring this up because I was, I was actually excited to bring this up. I recently, in the last few months, uh, decided to leave junior Kings to focus fully full time on broadcasting because that's something else I realized in life when.
You just know you love something and you belong somewhere, then that's what you do. And you'd put everything in it. And once again, you can go back to Colby being so fresh on everyone's minds and that Mamba mentality of like be the best. And that's, I realized I was giving . Eight hours a day in an office, even for junior King's, which I'll go more into.
And then at night running off to a game that I would be prepping in a car, you know, having 45 minutes and then getting to the game, prepping while I'm there, and I wasn't calling the game to the best of my ability in G league for everyone out there, there's a lot of turnover. It's not the NBA where you're just like, you know what LeBron James does?
Jerry Reynolds: Absolutely. Yeah. You know? Yes, I agree. I just watching. You guys work, you know, it's like, wow, who, who are these
Morgan 'Mo' Ragan: people? Exactly. Exactly. And, and you know, I've been lucky enough to work with deuce Mason who, you know, as would help me prep on the way there, but unlucky
Jerry Reynolds: and
Morgan 'Mo' Ragan: very unlucky. And in many, many
Jerry Reynolds: ways.
I mean, there's, there's
Morgan 'Mo' Ragan: varying opinion, mostly unlucky, but those few lucky times. And so, so when that kind of happened my first season with color, I was like, you gotta make a change. And. Junior Kings is the youth basketball program with the Sacramento Kings, and I was managing the entire program and it was awesome.
It was awesome from the standpoint of having a female to leading these kids and so many kids, I'm going to be like, girls don't play basketball. I'm like, it is 2019 and we still have a little bully saying this,
Jerry Reynolds: like,
Morgan 'Mo' Ragan: what are your parents teaching you? And so. I got to teach them, like if they did want to talk smack, I did take a few little seven year olds to the whole cause I was like, I got an embarrassing in front of your peers.
Sorry, parents. But they gotta learn. And so it, but honestly that the entire program, the junior MBA program, a lot of the NBA teams have a junior MBA program and they're amazing. They're amazing of what they promote. They promote good basketball, they promote sportsmanship and all these wonderful things.
But there is a lot more to it. In the office of, you know, being in the community and all the other work you have
Jerry Reynolds: to do. It's just really almost full time, obviously.
Morgan 'Mo' Ragan: Exactly. And so the coaching part. I miss it already so much. My favorite thing is, is coaching young girls and they're just so empowering watching them.
They listen, they care, and then there's a few, there's a few little boys that care and don't think that they know it all, but, but it's always every, every little girl out there, it's like, this is why I'm doing this. I'm so not doing it has been sad, but also I'm like, okay, well what are you going to do?
You're going to. You're going to fulfill your dreams to the fullest now, and that's my journey now that I've left junior Kings.
Jerry Reynolds: I always thought too too. I mean, you mentioned the coaching part. I mean, I think it's something obviously you could do if you chose to do that. I mean, I think that's a natural, uh, thing, you know, that.
Obviously your background and, and, and, and, and probably does even in a lot of ways enhance the building as an analyst, I think, you know, I always say that that's one thing. I think a lot of times fans, even very knowledgeable fans, don't realize that from the coaching standpoint. Well, you don't really know.
What happens in that locker room, you know, there's, there's things that go on between, you know, in that tunnel and, and all of that. That's very different than what, what you think is gonna happen. And, and, uh, some words said that might hurt your little feelings and then you need to. No, it's an experience that probably everybody needs maybe a little bit.
Morgan 'Mo' Ragan: And you know, it's, that's what's actually really cool about the GLE compared to MBA. Cause I wish I could talk about the Sacramento Kings and talk about what they did in practice. But obviously practice is not open to the media. Um, there's so many locker room is not open to the media, but the Stockton Kings and the G league, they give you so much access that they.
Doosan, I had been to a practice and they are coming over to, coaches are coming over to us and letting us know, Hey, we're running this because we're trying to accomplish this, or the big league or the big team. You know, the Sacramento Kings want us. To accomplish this zone. And so, you know, we're doing this, this, this, this, and getting, gaining all that knowledge and seeing these guys, and even the way that they express when their coaches are talking to them in the amount of respect that's there, you can carry that into the broadcast and be like, Oh, these guys buy in with Ty Ellis.
You know, there's not a single guy out there that thinks they're too good for this zone defense or whatever it may be. So it is, it really is important. Just like you were saying, that coaching aspect too, and being able to see that part and that side. It
Jerry Reynolds: was kind of interesting to me is how the NBA has changed to where.
Probably when I first came league, I mean, pretty much all practices were open. I mean, you, it's a little bit like the G league to where you really wanted the media there, so they would understand and, and so have some idea of what you're trying to do and, and if it's not working, at least you were working on it, you know, that sort of thing.
And then really in the last. 20 years or so, it's, it just kind of went away to where it's just such a closed shop, you know? And I, I think in many ways, uh, the league is missing something there. And I don't say, I would say that you should have every practice open, but there ought to be a reasonable percentage that are totally open.
I mean, there's not, it's not nuclear science here, right? Yeah. You know, and, and so, I don't know, you know what you're. Sometimes what you're trying to hide, you know?
Morgan 'Mo' Ragan: And do you think sometimes that maybe they are trying to hide like, Oh guys. Getting yelled at or disciplined or, you know, they don't want to share some of those things and have guys feel like that they were, um, you know, looked at a different way at practice.
I think sometimes they are just sheltering too much, like not trying to really tell the whole story. And that's a disservice to media and basketball fans. Not necessarily even just Kings fans or Lakers fans or whoever real. Hooper's
Jerry Reynolds: one too. Yeah. Thank you. You know, it's one of those things now to where, like I say, years ago, I always remember had a practice and a couple of guys got in a fight, fist fight.
Okay. And immediately said, well, you know, what do you think are, should we write about that? I said, well, it happened, you know, nothing more than, you know, nobody is seriously hurt and their friends again, uh, you know, that's. You know, that's a competitive practice. That went a little too far. Two guys got a.
No. I said, I don't see anything. Anything to hide there. Yeah. Tell the truth.
Morgan 'Mo' Ragan: And if you're trying to enlist, say you're someone who's looking for clicks and trying to create a narrative and you're going to write this weird story about it. Um, well that's wrong, number one. But number two, that's going to happen with anything, even if they, even if it happens when they have access of you on the phone.
Lauren or they see you on the bench, you to T two people talking and getting into it, like they're going to create that narrative anyways. So just people need to be strong minded. And I say that that's why now mental health is such a big thing too. It's. Learn how to deal with something like that in the media that's told about you, and if you got in that fight, what are you going to do different as a player?
Knock in that fight next time
Jerry Reynolds: and, and should be a man enough to say, I was wrong. I shouldn't have, I should not have done that. I shouldn't have done that, and we're both gay, whatever. Yeah. Just just that. Yeah, it's a, yeah. It was kind of a. You know, kind of an interesting thing there, but you know, it, it's, I do understand how things have changed, certainly in the coaching level.
Uh, you know, where to yell at somebody now and eh, at a game is like you, you, you've. You're open for some kind of awful criticism. It's like, well, sometimes, uh, you know, it, some criticism, vocal criticism is necessary. And, uh, if, if the young player is such a delicate little flower that, that, uh, harsh words, so will affect his, uh, his career, then probably it's not a career he's gonna do well at.
Morgan 'Mo' Ragan: The grow some thicker skin. Cause that's, you know, you're exactly right about that because I think that's the beauty of even college basketball still. And even some G league, these guys have one goal and that's getting into the NBA. Well, they're not going to play unless they're listening to. Their G league coach.
Sure. And so there is still discipline. And I even asked this of the Stockton King's head coach Ty Ellis. Um, cause I remember asking George Carl A. Long time ago when he was coaching the Kings about making players run. And he was like, you know, we're too old for that at this time. And I'm like, Oh shock.
Cause you know George Karl is someone, a coach that I'm like, he's a . A great coach. Ty Ellis was like, yes, I make these guys run and you know, we'll even shoot a free throw and be in between. And if you miss it, we keep running and it's not only for discipline, but it's also because you're gonna. You're going to be under those circumstances in this game if you're never, if you're never like discipline
Jerry Reynolds: held accountable, it's
Morgan 'Mo' Ragan: power.
You going to learn something new, and I think you're exactly right. Watching coaches. Yo or talk loudly to a players when they're doing something wrong. I think if it's done the right way, there's nothing wrong with that. I just, I, I don't,
Jerry Reynolds: well, yeah, you don't want to, I mean, I think, you know, be lilting someone and embarrassing them.
That's a whole different thing, but really legitimate criticism to improve the play, you know, I think cause they are, but, you know, just, uh, getting to your, uh, you and, uh, deuce doing the games. I like to know, you know, just for your own experience, obviously it's a new role for you. And, uh. How's that going?
You know? I mean, uh, you know, as you've, I know as you get more experienced, you see things you can maybe do better, uh, do differently, that sort of thing.
Morgan 'Mo' Ragan: Yeah. Well, I, you know, I think I'd like to start to, I think one of the coolest things has been being just, even in this business and coming to all the Sacramento Kings games, it's been really cool because you have been one of the.
Few men that like to sit down and talk basketball with me and we'll go off to the side and talk basketball. And this isn't the beginning of time. This is before we even really knew each other. And that's, that's who you were. And having that gave me confidence into what I'm doing now. So thank you for that.
Truly, I, I. I there's,
Jerry Reynolds: I didn't hurt you anyway.
Morgan 'Mo' Ragan: No, no. It's really helped. And now that I am doing color, it's been nice talking to you. Even just a little bit about tidbits of how do you feel when you have a bad game? How do you feel when you have a good game? So now going into my second season with deuce as Duce does play by play and I'm color, it is.
A dream come true. It is. When I'm doing that, it just feels so natural.
Jerry Reynolds: Yeah, you, I was going to say, you definitely have the chemistry and . I know. Lead them get easier and better as you go because you know, the. The, getting in, getting out, uh, certainly from the color standpoint, obviously the PLAYBAR play, you know, I always said, I'm not real.
Believe it. They're the stars. And, uh, you know, the color analysts should be the, the role player.
Morgan 'Mo' Ragan: That's exactly it.
Jerry Reynolds: And you know, that's why I don't like the national broadcast. For the most part. The color analysts dominate the play, and sometimes you're missing. What's going on in the court while they're jibber jabbering.
Morgan 'Mo' Ragan: I want to hear the story that's in front of me, you know, and, and like, I appreciate some tidbits when we're at the free throw line. Some facts when we're, um, the games, you know, a 20 point lead and it's over, you know, give me, give me stories. But when the story is right in front of me, paint the picture.
And that is the play by play voice and do things. Loves to talk. So it's a perfect role for
Jerry Reynolds: Yeah, he, yeah, he fills it up. It only will, you know, later out we'll get, get with Doosan saying, you know, you've got to get Morgan in here a little more.
Morgan 'Mo' Ragan: I'm going to need that help.
Jerry Reynolds: But I mean, but it is a work in progress.
You know, I was just working with grant for years and I thought it, we were probably into our third or fourth year for, I think we both got comfortable with one another. I think with grant, kind of getting comfortable with my sense of humor or not. You know, I, cause I always said with grant, as much as I love the guy, I mean, he, he'd always, when I first started, it's like the, a 15 foot jump shot, you know, in the first quarter and the scores eight to 10 and he'd go berserk.
And I said, well, what are you going to do when it, it's, it's, it's at the end of the fourth quarter. You don't want, where do you,
Morgan 'Mo' Ragan: you know, it's
Jerry Reynolds: a, you know, this guy's getting paid millions of dollars to make that shot. You know, it's, it really ain't that right. Big a deal. Uh, so, you know, so I, I mean, I, but I mean, we were, we were.
Different. And yet, you know, I always appreciated his, not just knowledge, but, uh, his control of the game. And it's up to me to kind of fit in and add something without taking away from what he was doing. And then, and then, and maybe in his case, realize that, well, it's not world war three, it's, it's an NBA basketball game.
And so, you know, to kinda soften it there a little bit and, you know, to make the broadcast a little more enjoyable.
Morgan 'Mo' Ragan: Well, you even, you know, even how you're talking. Your, your, your coach at heart. And so what you can give, if you're going to say something, teach something. Make someone learn. Now obviously when you're talking for an entire game, sometimes, sometimes I'm just, and I'm sure you've done that too, where you're just kind of looking at the plane, you're like, wow, that was a really good shot.
Or, you know, they were, they were really explosive going to the basket. It's like, how did they get to the basket? How good was that screen? How good was the play that they were running? And those are the things that. I, you know, I think, and you feel the same way. It's when you have those tidbits, that's when they really matter into, that's why it's not about us talking the whole time.
It's about us really educating people. And we
Jerry Reynolds: need to really want to point out something. I think that the average fans, Oh, okay, I'll look for that or that. Ha. Uh, I always say, you know, I probably look at it really from the coach's perspective, and I always say when I'm watching, I'm really looking for the big things.
Okay. Uh, you know. Why is this defense not working? Or, or, or could, could this wouldn't a zone defense and to be a nice tempo change here as opposed to, you know, getting into one little individual aspect of it. You know? Or like I said, well. The old deal of, uh, you know, what, why is a buddy Heald not being very effective?
Well, you shooting all of his shots off the dribble, well, that's tougher than spot shooting that, you know, just kinda simplify it. And, or the guy at home can say, Oh yeah, that's, that's why
Morgan 'Mo' Ragan: it's so, it's so true. And that's, I
Jerry Reynolds: think, cause I mean, I think you can, uh. You know, I think most people tune into a game to be entertained.
They don't tune in for a coaching clinic. Correct. You know what I mean? And, you know, I say sometimes, uh, you know, color analysts have a tendency to want to show how bright they are. You got a st Glen, you know, that's, that's really not there. Yeah. Yeah. They, that's not why they're tuning in. And, you know.
Cause they may tune attic pretty soon if, if you're gonna just beat him up. Oh yeah. Well they should've switched there. And that guy, when he steps out there, he's got to do this and the second guy has to rotate over. And I think
Morgan 'Mo' Ragan: you were even talking before about like officials and if the color analyst is like, that's a bad call because this is, if they're saying every call is a bad call, it's like you're not a fan.
You're, you know, like stop right there. Don't, don't just suggest that it's a bad call and give this false information to people.
Jerry Reynolds: Second year with grant, or it might've even been, yeah, that grant and I both got a, uh, a guy and I think it was justified. We, he sent us two referees, a jerseys. He said, if you guys are going to call the game, like if you're going to make all the calls as referees, and here's some jerseys to wear while you're doing it.
But honestly, it's one of those things, it's like, it was kind of a, one of those moments, you know. You know, he's got a good point, you know, and I mean, that was an exact, but he, and I told grant, I said, you know, we, we really have got to do better on this. And, and I think now, you know, Grant's great, you know, he basically gives officials every.
You know, every opportunity, uh, and, and, and the benefit of that morning part benefit of doubt, which they deserve. So, you know, I think we tried to do that and I know, you know, Doug's group great that way, cause he was at way as a player, he didn't, he really focused on his play as opposed to that. But yeah.
So on that basis, now, you as a player, how are you with officials.
Morgan 'Mo' Ragan: I almost mentioned this earlier when you were talking about players going back and yelling at refs and everything. I didn't talk to reps a lot, but I did give them death glares that they did not deserve death glow. Like I got teed up and I would save very bad words that I would say I was saying it out loud.
I wasn't saying it to you. You can't tee me up. I had the most technical technicals in the league my freshman year of high school on varsity. It was not good.
Jerry Reynolds: You know, the reason I brought that up is, you know, somehow I'll be honest with you, that doesn't surprise me. I mean, you know, I mean, you have feisty as they get though that.
That's a nice way of putting it.
Morgan 'Mo' Ragan: Yeah. I, and I regret it. I regret it now. Oh my gosh, a hundred if I knew what I obviously know now. I wouldn't be so much better of a player because you're the, it's the mental game that took me out of my game. Um, because I thought every official was out to get me. And they were, they knew players and officials knew exactly how to get me.
As a headcase.
Jerry Reynolds: Say you don't always go back to the DeMarcus cousins. Uh, officials are human. And you know, he basically was so rude and abusive to the officials that at some point he did get bad calls. I have no doubt they're human,
Morgan 'Mo' Ragan: right? And that's part of the gang.
Jerry Reynolds: And, uh, it's like, geez, uh,
Morgan 'Mo' Ragan: it's politics.
It's you, it's the same thing in life. Like if you want to get somewhere in life, you have to build relationships. You have to be kind to people. And so when you get frustrated in those moments. What do you do instead of yelling at your boss or doing something evil, you take a deep breath and that's what he should have done on the court.
That's what I should have done. But a lot of people
Jerry Reynolds: will say, you know, it's the old thing, you know, if you want to be respected, you have to give respect. And I think. It's, a lot of times people forget that. Oh, yeah. And, and, you know, and I mean, I understand there's times, but I mean, I look at guys like, you know, like bogey and in particular, uh, the plays hard and competitive, almost never.
You know, never has a harsh word for an official, you know, will sidle up to him a little bit that way, you know,
Morgan 'Mo' Ragan: no does too much already. Is Luca Luca? Don said
Jerry Reynolds: yes. He definitely, I think he's going to have to kind of
Morgan 'Mo' Ragan: tone it down. And you're so much
Jerry Reynolds: better than that. Yeah. You know, to where you just not going to, you get a lot of calls, you're not going to get them all.
Morgan 'Mo' Ragan: and he's better and he can. And he will be just this absolute dominant, amazing player in the NBA. But like if he can, which I have a feeling he will, if he can fix that aspect of his game, there's no stopping him.
Jerry Reynolds: Yeah. No, I mean, I think it, it does, you know, wears on teammates at some point. Whereas on even even fan.
So you know, a lot of, and I think it's not totally unusual for young players to come in and, and. You don't think they're entitled to every call. I have noticed the improvement with, uh, uh, it's slight improvement. Devin Booker, you know, who was just terrible for you. Now, he's still not great, but, you know, it's pretty selective now.
Morgan 'Mo' Ragan: So anyway, no, it's great to see improvement. And so, uh,
Jerry Reynolds: I know we kinda got a wrap up here, but I, I mean, you know, your career, obviously, I think, you know, you. Probably, I'd have to say you're probably ahead of schedule for what maybe you thought you would, where you'd be, but, but I mean, going forward, uh, obviously with the, the, the analyst role and certainly as a female has been a lot tougher on you than, than a male.
I mean, uh, you know. Uh, it can go so many directions, but I, I think, you know, looking at Doris Vercon, who's terrific and, you know, and, and, uh, the, the niche she's carved out for herself, and everybody just appreciates how good she is. And, uh, you know, so I think there's. There are, there are awkward opportunities that didn't use to be there
Morgan 'Mo' Ragan: 100% and that's something too, just really quick.
It was going into the G league. They had Cylon reporter color analysts and play by play open. Guess which one I went for because my confidence was low and I was like, Oh man, this is always a woman's role. Sideline. I went for and they said to me, cause they want to do the do play by play. They said, we think you'd be great with it.
Well, I was like, yeah, I mean we do everything together. And I was like, I know the game. Of course I could be a color and it's, they're like, that's what we want you to do. And I just, I still to this day, I'll never sell my short self short again because. Um, I am capable of doing so much more and so many women out there are capable of doing so much more.
We just haven't seen. In front of our eyes. We've seen a few,
Jerry Reynolds: you know, I don't want to, I mean, I, I really think where, what Tyler said in the NBA people, they're so concerned about getting women coaches in about every team now in some role plus it, where they're really missing it and be these, this isn't a front office.
Morgan 'Mo' Ragan: Yes.
Jerry Reynolds: You're so right. I mean, it's a, it would be a. Easier. Much easier adjustment then, quite honestly, than the coaching story because, uh, you know, it's, it's scouting, it's, it's
Morgan 'Mo' Ragan: basketball.
Jerry Reynolds: They just have also always, uh, you know, uh, become a good friend of mine and Meyers Drysdale, who certainly involved with the Phoenix suns on several different things.
But I, I, so you could put her in running a franchise. She would do terrific. Day one, we no problem. And yet, you know, I mean, she has a significant role, whether it's some TV work for, uh, the, the a w NBA, some, some roles with it, with the sons, but never, but I mean, but she could, I mean, there's a person, in fact, she's a female, has nothing to do with it.
She would us far off, you know, far better prepared and probably two thirds of the people in executive positions in the, in the league right now.
Morgan 'Mo' Ragan: And you're right about that, Jerry. And you're right too. If we see more of that happening, then other women growing up or even in, you know, young women growing up will just be like, Oh wait.
I can do that. I don't have to actually coach basketball. I don't have to be on TV. Great. I don't like either one of those, but I can be a leader in sports, have a team, and help run it like, yes,
Jerry Reynolds: yes, of course.
Morgan 'Mo' Ragan: That'd be real. And I think we will see more of that.
Jerry Reynolds: Oh, we will. I mean, it's just. Well, that's what scares me.
It makes perfect sense. I always say, if it's logical, it makes sense. Yeah. It's going to take longer. So that's it. But anyway, I think we'll close here a for now, but I, I really appreciate, uh, Morgan you coming on and had a lot of fun and, uh, hope, uh, those of you out there, uh, know a little bit more about Morgan Ragan than you did.
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