S01E13 - Jim Crandell
S01E13 - Jim Crandell
Jim has been a part of Sacramento sports since 1985 and with Fox 40 since 2009. Jim and Jerry reminisce on coming to Sacramento and calling it their home. He's a lover of sports and public speaking and covers both NBA sports and high school football.
Jerry Reynolds: Welcome to the Jerry Reynold's show. Guess what? I am Jerry Reynolds and we are here at the McCreery's equal studio and a home of, as you well know, the finest a home furnishings in Sacramento. So, uh, it's really been a great thrill to be here and doing another. Uh, interview podcast with a person I've known a long time.
Uh, and most of you in Sacramento, I'm sure. Well aware of this gentleman, mr Jim Crandall.
Jim Crandell: Yo, I love your studio by the way. It's nice and awesome. Yeah. And can I say real quick? My wife when I told her I was coming out here to McCreery's is to do it. She didn't care about you. Yeah, but she said, Oh, McCreery's is, maybe I'll go, she loves this store.
She, when we were back in Wisconsin, she used to do a furniture sales and interior design and that kind of thing. She says, this is the best store in Sacramento. So I didn't want her to come cause I knew I'd. Go home with another sofa and we have enough sofas, but she loves, she loves the store. It's beautiful.
Near studio is outstanding.
Jerry Reynolds: It's good to know that, that she has great taste in some things.
Jim Crandell: Oh,
Jerry Reynolds: sing to nod. It's great. That's
Jim Crandell: where we're going to go.
Jerry Reynolds: You know, you just set yourself up for that. I, you know, you kind of came
Jim Crandell: at me there a little bit knowing that there was a shot to be had shy. Go
Jerry Reynolds: for it.
Yeah, exactly. So yeah. But, uh, of course, like we go back a long ways. Uh, you know, of course you were here slightly before
Jim Crandell: I
Jerry Reynolds: was, uh, with the Kings, but this is my 35th year, so I guess you'd be,
Jim Crandell: yeah, I'm pretty close. I came in, uh, the fall of 84, which was the King's last year in Kansas city. And obviously the first year.
Before the last year before they, you know, finally came here. So, and that was a super interesting time.
Jerry Reynolds: Sure. It was one that I did. You probably knew more about that situation than an idea. I mean, really. Yeah. Cause I was hired in July. Of that year, and I always get blamed for drafting joke line. I have wasn't even hired as assistant cone.
Jim Crandell: not your fault.
Jerry Reynolds: Yeah. Well idea. There's plenty of things that are, but
Jim Crandell: that's a heck of a good guy though.
Jerry Reynolds: Absolute best guy. Yeah. You couldn't be a, couldn't beat him and actually had a better career than, and a
Jim Crandell: lot of guys, he was in the league for awhile. Yeah. I mean, he's not, he wasn't the star player, but he had a, he's not going to
Jerry Reynolds: hurt, you know, and he played on a.
He actually got a ring, I think with the bowls ones. Yeah. You don't want those guys to set on there, you know? But yeah. But anyway, he had a, uh, you know, compared to, you know, what they would call a total draft bust. A lot of who lasted two or three years of league. He, I think he had about 12 or 13.
Jim Crandell: I know he was not that for sure.
And you know, you mentioned the interesting time when the. Before the Kings came here right before they came here. And it was because, you know, the, the mayor of Sacramento at that time, you know,
Jerry Reynolds: not in and, right,
Jim Crandell: not real enthusiastic about professional sports teams coming for whatever. And there was all this talk about, you know, Greg Lucan bill and Ben Venuti and that crew that, you know, went to Kansas city and bought the team and eventually did move it here.
A lot of talk that they weren't really interested in the basketball franchise. All they were interested in was land development. That this was a land development scam for Natomas and they wanted to turn it into another sprawling Silicon Valley. And Ann Ruden didn't want any part of that. So there was no support from the mayor's office.
And for a long time, you know, once they started building Arco one out there on market street, they denied it was a basketball arena. They said it was an office complex, and Greg Vanduzen, who you know very well, who was. The team. Um, he was always there, front guy, and you know, it's an office calm looking on it, a wink, wink, you know, everybody knew what it was, but they said it was an office complex for a very long time because they didn't have the zoning, I guess that was necessary in order to build the arena, to bring the team here and he can bring the team here without the arena.
So that was a bit of a big dog and pony show
Jerry Reynolds: with Greg. I mean. You know, to me, they ought to build a statue of, of Greg and Joe out somewhere.
Jim Crandell: Yeah. Know the forgotten crew now.
Jerry Reynolds: Yeah. You know, and, and obviously their, their courage and, and doing what they did and going, jumping through all the hoops they had to.
To get a team. I mean, I don't know if Sacramento would still have a major.
Jim Crandell: Yeah, no, I think you're absolutely right. And remember, not only did they build, they built two arenas. Yeah. With all their own money, their own money with private money. You know, they built the Arco one on market street, and then, you know, the one that everybody knows now is Arco arena that's still sitting out there.
They built too.
Jerry Reynolds: Yeah. I always remember to the, you know. The Sacramento bee at that time when they finally had naming rights, uh, Arco, which really, again, Greg was ahead of the game. Uh, arenas weren't doing that too much and they wouldn't refuse to call it our query. Now they call it Kings arena.
Jim Crandell: Yeah. And I remember the press conference in front of the original arena on market.
And there were people here, of course, from the Arco company. And Greg said, then he said, and you know, he was a little bit prone to hyperbole. So sometimes you think sometimes you had to, um, maybe, maybe not, but he said, this is going to set a standard. He said, we're doing something that hasn't been done and this is going to be the way a future in professional sports.
And. Dang, if he wasn't right. I mean, everybody's got their arena name now cause it's worth so much money in the naming rights.
Jerry Reynolds: So absolutely, they don't do that. I mean it's, it's kinda sad that quite honestly in my mind that, that it, Greg in particular really didn't get a benefit from all the, the changes of the North and the Tomas
Jim Crandell: now, you know, that, you know, and I mean,
Jerry Reynolds: and they really probably, you know, the vision probably was there as it should have been.
But, uh, yeah, the people that had the vision took all the risks, I think in many ways, didn't really get a benefit.
Jim Crandell: Yeah. And once they sell, sold the team, I mean, he really did kind of just float into the background. I remember there are a lot of times that I tried to contact him when there are, you know, relevant stories to building a new arena or whatever.
And, um, you know, he talked to me a few times when he just really was, didn't appear to be interested at all, you know, in the publicity and, you know, being on camera and getting involved in it. But, um. Yeah. Don't we talk about an interesting
Jerry Reynolds: guy? I mean, has
Jim Crandell: there ever been another owner in the history of professional sports that climbed up into the rafters to stop a leak roof?
Remember that? Oh, I
Jerry Reynolds: had a visit with Gary Gerald, and that kinda came up and talked about that. You know. Seeing the owner up there stopping the leak and you know, and I to reset it. At that time I said, yeah, you know, I was convinced of two things. Number one, he was going to fall and go, splat and that end in the owner
Jim Crandell: and that game
Jerry Reynolds: that really concerned me was, you know, we were well ahead.
I was coached at the time. We were well ahead of the 76 years at that time and, and beaten them pretty good. Because basically Charles Barkley was worn out. They'd played the night before and
Jim Crandell: he was, he was dead.
Jerry Reynolds: And I, as, as the, the whole thing took time to. Get over. I remember looking down the bench and st Charles and he was fresh and I said, Holy het word trouble.
Jim Crandell: this have to happen.
Jerry Reynolds: Yeah. And we were, cause you know, I mean, you know, you give Barkley a chance to get a second wind or in third and fourth, well, we had nobody, uh,
Jim Crandell: deal with every time there's a floor on the water in arena or, or any reason that I have to pull out that old video. I always pulled it out.
And there's one shot of the coach. Yeah. That's good. What, what's going on here?
Jerry Reynolds: Going on here? Yeah. Crazy night. You know, I want to go back a little bit before you came to Sacramento. You're from Wisconsin, correct? Yeah. I'm sure your
Jim Crandell: Hanson, by the way,
Jerry Reynolds: what's that was canceled
Jim Crandell: was Canton. Yeah. Well, I did not
Jerry Reynolds: know that now.
So what a community are you a native off?
Jim Crandell: Well, I was born in a little town called rice Lake. Which is in Northern Wisconsin, sort of in the middle of the state, and I grew up in Chippewa falls, Wisconsin, which is the home of Leinenkugel's beer.
Jerry Reynolds: yeah, I know that
Jim Crandell: from the big Eddy Springs, and nobody really knows to this day that big Eddie was a horse.
So that was kind of a.
Jerry Reynolds: Big Eddy Springs. Yeah. Began. He was
Jim Crandell: actually a horse. He liked to
Jerry Reynolds: drink at the Springs, I guess. Yeah, that's pretty much how that
Jim Crandell: happened. I'm not exactly sure, but, uh,
Jerry Reynolds: people always talk about French lick, you know, they always say, how do you, you know, I said, well, it, it was settled by French and it was
Jim Crandell: assaulted.
There you go. That makes total sense. Makes total
Jerry Reynolds: sense.
Jim Crandell: When my first job was in Auclair, which is right next to Chippewa falls, you're very familiar. Yeah. Great basketball
Jerry Reynolds: team.
Jim Crandell: Uh, Ken Anderson, Ken Anderson, Mike Ratliff, who played for the Kansas city Kings, Frank Shay and Frank shady. Exactly. Also was drafted
Jerry Reynolds: and played for Kings.
Jim Crandell: Yeah. Um, I talked to shady after he was out of the league. He said he didn't think I had a fair shot with in Kansas city because in practice they'd always put him on tiny Archibald and say, don't touch them. Don't touch them. So a whole practice was just Archibald going around shady. Who stood there going, I can't do I, what am I supposed to do?
But he could shoot. Good, really shoot the
Jerry Reynolds: ball.
Jim Crandell: Really. Shoot. But, and Mike Ratliff had, I mean, he had a pretty good career. He did. If you look up his stats, I mean, um, I don't recall him exactly, but I remember one game against Jabari was like 20 and 20. I mean, he could play a little bit. Is six, 10, very athletic.
Run the floor. Yeah. So I worked in Auclair, um, went to Kansas city a lot of times to cover that small school tournament with the Kings and
Jerry Reynolds: AI tournament. Yeah. Yeah. I had teams in there.
Jim Crandell: Oh, did you?
Jerry Reynolds: Oh, yeah. We won the national championship in 74
Jim Crandell: was that from whence joy auditorium or at Kemper?
Jerry Reynolds: Yeah, it was still at Memorial.
Yeah. And then later on I coached at Rockhurst university, which, uh, we went to the national, but at Kemper.
Jim Crandell: Oh, okay. Yeah. It was a nice building for its time back in the day. Heck of an improvement over Memorial auditorium.
Jerry Reynolds: Oh yeah. That's, you know, though, Morial torn though, I thought really had great atmosphere to it.
You know, when they had a good crowd in there, you know, and of course now they built a new arena downtown. But I've always said, and it's off the topic a little bit, but had the Kings built. W, which was camper downtown near the stockyards. Had they built that arena out by the twin stadiums. You know where the Royal Sherman chiefs, the Kings would still be there.
Yeah. Yeah. They were
Jim Crandell: bad choice for
Jerry Reynolds: location. Choice for location. Yeah. People didn't live downtown. They were used and you know, certainly the parking and access.
Jim Crandell: Yeah. Yeah.
Jerry Reynolds: So
Jim Crandell: make all the difference. You know, and it's a similar situation here. I mean, God bless, you know, Kevin Johnson when he was the mayor for doing all he could to keep the Kings.
But my impression sorta was if they weren't going to build that arena in the rail yards. You know, that's where he wanted that arena was in the rail yards. And if they weren't going to build it there when kind of like, well, whatever, do do what you gotta do. But he really wanted it there. Obviously he came on board finally, and what a great choice to build where it's built now.
But, um, he, he had his reasons. He wanted that, you know, rail yards project develop.
Jerry Reynolds: Yeah, I can understand that. I mean, of course, fortunately now with the major league soccer. Uh, that, you know, can kind of maybe take care of that issue as well. Yeah. Tell me a little bit about the, especially your, you know, your background in college, maybe even going back to your high school days, uh, you know, your interest, uh, what, what plans or visions you had for Jim Crandall at that time?
Jim Crandell: The chai high, they call it Chippewa falls high school. Um, two things. I was always interested in Republic speaking and sports. It turns out as a way better public speaker than an athlete. Um, I did play in high school. I'm pretty good. First baseman, played a couple of years of football, a couple of years of basketball, but not a great athlete.
And so I just kinda gravitate it into the public speaking part of it, which actually started out like, you know, you know, you always hear singers say, well, it started in a church choir. Well, I actually started it plays in church. No, really mom would take me to church. I went to church every Sunday. For ever.
And, um, that's where I kinda, you know, developed a love for it and just sort of transitioned into it and stuck with it. And, uh. It's worked out alright, I guess.
Jerry Reynolds: No, I think it's worked out great. I was going to tell you, that reminds me, I, I just, for your information, I know you really want to know this.
Jim Crandell: I do
Jerry Reynolds: that.
Jim Crandell: in the
Jerry Reynolds: first musical at Springs Valley high school in French lick Indiana. I played is a Mr. Crane of sleepy hollow. I was at kabod crane and, and, and he had a little singing role. Really?
Jim Crandell: Yes. Well, I never had a singing role, but I was Abraham Lincoln. In the high school production. Oh, Abe Lincoln in Illinois,
Jerry Reynolds: a Blinken.
They'll know that's right.
Jim Crandell: Had me a top hat and everything.
Jerry Reynolds: Well, I mean, I'm sure you have no pictures of that ain't God. And they're all going on as I've told this story before, but I kind of brought some strange memories. You mentioned that, because I did some commercials for the Chuck Swift. Oh, Dodge.
For years. Uh, uh, and, and on president's day, they'd always make me dress up. Like he Blinken and George Washington, you know, that's kind of amazing what a man will do to them. Exactly. To get him, make a buck, make a buck, you know exactly what a, you know. So
Jim Crandell: got out of high school, went to a university, Wisconsin.
So I'm a big Badger.
Jerry Reynolds: Big Badger fan. Yep.
Jim Crandell: Um, my greatest athletic accomplishment friend of mine from high school was a walk on the football team our freshman year at Wisconsin. Tom Whiting was his name. Came over to my dorm. We went out in the back to shoot hoops. They a million hoops in the playground behind, uh, the dorm.
A couple of guys said, Hey, you want to go two on two? So we went two on two with these guys and smoked them. And I don't think I missed a shot the entire time. And when we got done, a bunch of guys who, it started watching us came over and said, do you know who that guy was? Clarence Shirad. Is that her name?
Sandra? Yeah, sure. One of the great guards and scores in Wisconsin history, and we smoked him. Jerry smoked
Jerry Reynolds: him. Now, now I assume there no evidence to this.
Jim Crandell: No. Are you telling me you're not going to take my word?
Jerry Reynolds: I am. I, you know. I know you wouldn't even brought it up if, you
Jim Crandell: know, I would have, but
Jerry Reynolds: no,
Jim Crandell: that is true.
Jerry Reynolds: Well, as you know, I mean, and yeah, in basketball being the part, it is emotion and, uh, as we've seen thousands of times a shooter gets on a roll.
Jim Crandell: Yeah, no, I can shoot. That's the one thing I could do is shoot. But I seriously, I've no athletic ability at all. My, my legs are super small. I mean, short. My, you know, my height is in my torso and my legs are real heavy and I just, I can't get off the floor and I can't move.
So, but I love, basketball is my favorite sport. I love it.
Jerry Reynolds: Day one. It's amazing with the badgers in basketball and football, what amazing program they have there now, you know, really is nationally ranked just about all the time and everything.
Jim Crandell: Yeah. They should have won the national championship. They should have won the NCAA tournament a few years ago.
They beat under beaten Kentucky, Kentucky, remember? Yeah. And they, they shot everything they had in that game. You know, I'm a firm believer in the psychology of sports, and after that game, in their mind, I think they, you know. They said nobody could be Kentucky, and they beat them and they just, they didn't have anything left to play do.
Jerry Reynolds: of course, I remember that. And then of course, I probably would see it a little different. I mean, I think they played the perfect game against Kentucky, but if you look at their overall talent base, you know, pretty, you know, kind of a marginal NBA player there was pretty good backer was pretty good, but he's not able to enable that.
And he was
Jim Crandell: off the hook in that game. Remember, against Kentucky?
Jerry Reynolds: I'm sure.
Jim Crandell: Yeah. And, uh, but yeah, you're probably right. I mean, they weren't, you know, they didn't have the same level of talent, but I, I still think that part of the reason they lost to Duke is cause they just didn't have anything left after given all they had.
Jerry Reynolds: I'm sure that's true too. Yeah. They had to go the harder route and, but, you know, I thought, you know, I mean, coaching wise or just that guy, just a great coach.
Jim Crandell: Yeah. Yeah. And you know, their football program has done really well too. I mean, you know, there a top 10 team almost every year. Not quite good enough to make the playoff, but always really, really good.
So, yeah, I don't think in the hockey program, cause being from Wisconsin, Wisconsin, Wisconsin, and playing recreational hockey, um, back there, that's a huge sport. And, uh, it used to be the WC H a was the league they played in at that point was Michigan, Michigan state, most of the big 10 schools. Um. And then like Denver from out West, they have big hockey program, but they've won the national championship.
Bob Johnson, one of the most famous hockey coaches. In the country. So Wisconsin has a good athletic history. They really do
Jerry Reynolds: move like, yeah, I was going to say, and of course, professionally with the brewers and former Braves and years ago, and then of course the Packers, they all time
Jim Crandell: spent a lot of Sundays at Lambeau field in green Bay.
When I worked back there, the guy that ran the news department, the news director was . A pilot and it was a great opportunity for him cause he didn't have his own plane, but he would rent a plane, charge it to the station, and we'd fly to green Bay, which was just a couple hour flight if that even, and cover the games and fly back with his stuff and put it on the air on Sunday night.
So, um, spent a lot of Sundays at Lambeau field are really fun.
Jerry Reynolds: Well, I became a kind of a packer fan. In my high school days, uh,
Jim Crandell: for a
Jerry Reynolds: strange reason. Uh, Paul Horning. Yeah. All time boy, golden boy. And were five the year he was kicked out of football for gambling. He, you know, he's from Louisville. Oh, I didn't know that.
Yeah. Louisville, which is like 50 miles East of, uh. French lick. Well, there's a big resort hotel in Frisch too, actually. But anyway, I was a lifeguard at
Jim Crandell: the resort hotel
Jerry Reynolds: and Paul
Jim Crandell: Paul singing lifeguard. I did not sing after,
Jerry Reynolds: you know, my, my, uh, foray and to do that. But, but anyway, my, as lifeguard and Paul would, uh, want the lifeguards and he would come over.
Periodically during that year and time off when he's around Louisville. You know, he'd always bring some friends
Jim Crandell: for a lovely,
Jerry Reynolds: very lovely friends.
Jim Crandell: I might ask. I know he had that reputation. I always
Jerry Reynolds: remember, he's so nice, so he's always make a point to talk to us. And then they had a. Really nice, what they call cabanas that sure it could be rented, you know, and have parties and stuff.
And so Paul would always have one of those with his friends. And then when he'd leave, he'd, he'd always tell us guys he'd believe a little something to drink, a little extra there. No, really, that we probably shouldn't have had, but
Jim Crandell: we did. Okay. I'm not gonna apologize. He's just trying to be nice.
Jerry Reynolds: He was trying to be nice.
And so Paul. Was a hall of Famer in many ways in my mind. There
Jim Crandell: you go. Now he was a great running back. Don't
Jerry Reynolds: worry. Great player. All Jimmy Taylor,
Jim Crandell: fullback, Taylor, and you know, star the quarterback Boyd dollar. Now like you're in your career,
Jerry Reynolds: at what point. Kind of high school, college, did you say? You know, I mean, you always said you know how much you do.
Public speaking was easy for you and you could see where that'd be a route. But did it lead to television? Radio?
Jim Crandell: Right. When I was a senior in high school, I was on the debate team and my debate coach, uh, worked part time at a radio station. Got me a job working part time. It was an AMFM in the same building as a TV station and owned by the TV station.
Got me working a part time for the FM station at night, which basically was just making sure the station stayed on the air. I mean like every half hour, you know, this is WEA U. F. M it's 1230 on Thursday morning, 42 degrees in Eau Claire. And then you play another record, you know, was about it. It wasn't like a real DJ job, but that was my first job.
Jerry Reynolds: did you get to select the records or was that kind of,
Jim Crandell: no, it was, it was a, basically, not classical stuff, but like easy listening kind of stuff. I mean, that was the format of the FM station at that time. I mean, FM radio was fairly new at that time. Um, you know, remember this is a, you know, early seventies so.
There were no hip hop stations on FM at that point. Um, and then I started doing a little work on the am station, which played country music, which I developed, and I hated country music when I started. And by the time I was done, I loved it. And I still do. I
Jerry Reynolds: really like it. Oh yeah. It's more, especially some of the, the latest kind of things, you know?
Yeah. Chris Stapleton, and I know I actually, whiskey and
Jim Crandell: sockets for the Blake Shelton show coming up at the golden one center. Really looking forward to that. And then the sports guy, the main sports guy for the TV station was also a teacher in Auclair and he decided he couldn't do both jobs, so I auditioned to do.
The weather, hoping I could eventually move into his spot because of the guy that did the weather was also a small market, little TV station. So the guy that did the weather was also the sales manager, and he only did the weather because he thought it was good for him. He could sell better to people.
When they recognized him, you know, he'd come in to sell and commercials and they'd say, Hey, you're the guy on the weather
Jerry Reynolds: weather man. Exactly.
Jim Crandell: So he wanted to cut back to just two days. So I started doing weather. Three days a week and I didn't know anything about weather. Absolutely nothing, but I got a great memory, Jerry.
So I would just take the weather forecast from the associated press off the wire, memorize it, and go do that. The one time I got in trouble is, and remember, this is back in the day, so there's no digital stuff. I mean, we had this map of Wisconsin. And it had glass over it. And we would write the temperatures for Greenbay, Madison, Milwaukee, Auclair, whatever.
We'd write the temperatures in a magic marker. And, uh, the news director, the boss of the news department wanted us to do it live cause he thought it would put, you know, some action in it.
Jerry Reynolds: so you'd
Jim Crandell: go on and you'd say, okay, tonight's temperatures here, 52 in green Bay, you know, like that. Well, you go up before the show and write them lightly in pencil.
So you knew what they were more than once. I forgot to write them. Lightly in pencil. And I turn to the map and say, Oh no, cause I had no idea what the different disorders,
Jerry Reynolds: you just have the gases.
Jim Crandell: Yeah. So I figured, well it was fairly warm today, so somebody to in Milwaukee, and it's green based North of there.
So it's a little cooler, 65 in green Bay. So anytime you watch the weather, except for Christina. Just remember they could be making it up. Good money. Exactly. That's
Jerry Reynolds: great. How's it goes? Well, let's go say, it is amazing how the weather, you know, reports have changed so much. I mean, they just got it down to the hour, you know, when the rain's coming through, and
Jim Crandell: I mean, seriously, and with Christina, if you watch her weather forecasts and then.
The next day. Remember what she said. I mean, she is like, I'm the month 99% 89% of the time. If she says it's going to rain at three it's gonna rain it through an inch. It's going to rain a three a quarter of an inch. Yeah. It's, it's crazy.
Jerry Reynolds: Yeah. I always, my wife periodically, she'll kinda second guessed.
She'll say, well, it's supposed to, they said it's going to rain at three. I said, they said it was gonna rain at three in Sacramento. So we're in Roseville, it's going to take a, you know,
Jim Crandell: yeah. And that, that is, that truly is one thing that people don't understand is if she says it's 20% chance of showers, you know, maybe that probably does rain here, but maybe not here and people will, it didn't rain on my head, so that must've been wrong.
Jerry Reynolds: So, uh, Jim,
Jim Crandell: please tell me you got it from
Jerry Reynolds: there and that the experience, uh. To Sacramento,
Jim Crandell: there was a broadcasting populate, a publication called broadcasting magazine, and in the back it used to have job listings and you know, Oh, Claire is a very small market. I think at that time it was like number 116 in the country out of like 205.
And you know, in the TV business, you're always looking to move up and you want to go to a bigger market. Sure. You know, more exposure, more money, more goodness. Um, so everybody looks in broadcasting magazine and there was a posting for the job at KTX XL. And I called, talked to the news director, Don Ross flew me out.
We talked, and I was sure when I left, I got the job. I went home and told my wife, Patty. I said, okay, we're moving to California. He called me a couple of weeks later and said, no. We decided to go with a local guy who was Dave grass', be sure who was a radio guy at that time on K FBK. They decided to go with him since he had, you know, local knowledge, local contacts.
About a year and a half later, Don call me back and I don't remember the circumstances exactly, but he said, David, Dave a is leaving, and if you want the job, we'd love to have you. So that's how it happened. Yeah. We came out and, uh. We really like it here, you know, really like it here. Well, I was
Jerry Reynolds: going to say, I think that's the one thing about, of course, Wisconsin or Indiana just get out here and, uh, you know, the climate, uh, yeah, the, the worst days I always had, you know, just being Indiana and living a long time in Kansas city area, you know, I always said in Kansas city, you'd have 60 good days a year.
And the other 300 there something stormy tornado. Not good too hard. Rain, snow, ice, something.
Jim Crandell: We were out here a couple of , excuse me, a couple of weeks, and I think it was late October, early November, maybe one of the guys had a party Saturday night at his house and we went there and got to know people and whatever time to leave.
And he's, he's telling people to go start their cars cause it's cold.
Jerry Reynolds: Yeah.
Jim Crandell: Well was like 45 you know, I'm thinking, geez, it was 45 in Wisconsin in November. We'd be outside having a
Jerry Reynolds: pick me on T shirts. Yeah, yeah, exactly. No, it's really amazing. Yeah. Oh, I always remember just the first year we moved here from the Midwest, you know, basically said,
Jim Crandell: excuse me,
Jerry Reynolds: even in the hot part of the summer, you know, it'd be 95 to a hundred degrees in the afternoon.
I'd go jogging a lot. It
Jim Crandell: didn't bother me. No, I love
Jerry Reynolds: John cause it wasn't for
Jim Crandell: any humidity.
Jerry Reynolds: Yeah, no, I mean, now I'm totally spoiled. No, no, no. I, you know, I don't even venture outside
Jim Crandell: after 10
Jerry Reynolds: o'clock, you know, during the summer and right until,
Jim Crandell: till it gets plenty hot here, that's for sure.
Jerry Reynolds: But I mean, it's so different, you know, but I do think, you know, you just kind of get spoiled by being here
Jim Crandell: as well too.
And when you live back there, I mean, you know it, you just get used to it. People always say, well how did you do that? And when you're back there, you don't really think about it. I mean, if that's, especially if that's where you grew up, you know that that's the way it is. You know how to deal with it, how to drive in and how, you know how to take care of yourself in it.
Jerry Reynolds: yeah, my dad always used to, first year, I think we moved out here, uh, he'd call and say, well, about time for you to put the storm windows on, isn't it? I said, dad, excuse me. We don't need them.
Jim Crandell: Yeah.
Jerry Reynolds: He said, well, how about snow tires? I said, dad, really, you don't need, unless you're going up in
Jim Crandell: the mountain.
Jerry Reynolds: exactly. No, but I was just a kind of routines, you know that at a heat you got used to.
Jim Crandell: Yeah. And talking about the storm windows wa, you know, people always say, what's up? You know, how different is it out there? And I say, well, for one thing, if you left on vacation for a week. And forgot to lock your doors or close your windows.
The worst thing that's going to happen is one of your neighbors is going to think, you know, it might rain. I'm going to go close his windows. You know? It's just a, in a lot of ways, it's just a really different environment,
Jerry Reynolds: or it really is. I've always said that one of the big differences I noticed just is my daily walks.
Even yet today is it almost nobody will speak. You know, everybody's.
Jim Crandell: Concerned. I've written about that on Facebook, you know? Yeah. What is wrong with people? I always make an effort
Jerry Reynolds: to always say hi. You
Jim Crandell: know? I mean, you're on the down right past in
Jerry Reynolds: and, and you, you know, I always noticed too, like traveling around the country for years, you know, with the team and all, and, and it was always different in, in certain parts, you know, the country.
Uh, but certainly I thought, always thought probably California might be the worst in that regards. You know, it's like. Everybody I think just assumes you're a predator,
Jim Crandell: so I know, right? Everybody is so well, it's, it's the same way, you know, there's no fences in Wisconsin between homes. You know, all the yards connect.
Yeah. Everybody knows each other. Yeah. And honest to God, I couldn't tell you the names of some of the people that live within, you know, a wedge of, of where I live.
Jerry Reynolds: I've gotten, you know, I have to say I've kinda gotten used to that. I kinda like the overall backyard privacy where. You know, there's no human being can, right.
Yeah. I see. And so,
Jim Crandell: anyway, I mean, it is just, it, it, that is different. I mean, you know, like I say, bad, no fences back there. Everybody knows everybody. Everybody talks here. You'd get up in the morning, open the garage door, drive your car out, and you're gone to work. Come back, open the garage door, put your car in, you're in the house.
Jerry Reynolds: That's it. Yeah, exactly. And I always remember just as a kid growing up, small town, I'm sure the same way with you is that you drive around there, you'd honk at, I see
Jim Crandell: some ,
Jerry Reynolds: you know, and he did. If you did it, now somebody might be road rage and they might see
Jim Crandell: trouble. That's what that is. Now when you, uh,
Jerry Reynolds: when you came, uh, to Sacramento and, and, uh, your first job was sports.
Jim Crandell: Yeah. I started doing sports. And I did sports for a, I think it probably about three years, maybe a little bit more. And then the guy who was the main news anchor at night, Ted Mullins was his name. Really a nice man. Um, Ted actually had a small heart attack on the air one night, and we didn't know it at the time, but you know, going back and looking at the tape, I mean, he was sweating, he was making a lot of mistakes and he didn't make, you know, he'd ask producer a question.
30 seconds later, he'd ask him again the same question. Um, he left to go to Stockton because his daughter was an Olympic caliber figure skater. Young high school girl. Eyes on the Olympics and she practiced in Stockton. They had the best rank and the best coaches. So a couple of nights a week, he would drive down there to be with them, his wife and his daughter, so that he could go to practice the next morning.
And he had another heart attack on the way to Stockton, and eventually he died that night in the hospital. Uh, very sad. Again, really a nice man. And, um, the station came to me and said, okay, we, we'd like you to do news now. And I said, I die. I know I don't, I don't want to do news now. And they said, well, read your contract because you're gonna do news now.
So I did news for like, about three years. And, uh, then I, you know, was able to move back into sports once they realized that wasn't my forte. So,
Jerry Reynolds: yeah, my first recollection I think was kind of you doing news. In fact, I think it was early. And the Kings reign here?
Jim Crandell: Yeah, I did it for about two and a half years and people still to this day who remember that I did news.
They'll say, well, what did you like better? Do you like doing news or sports? And my pad answer is, well, would you rather go to a city council meeting or the Kings game? That's got a mind. Yeah, my answer. Yeah, I didn't, I didn't like doing news at all. I mean, there's no opportunity to really express yourself or show your personality or give your opinion about anything.
I mean, it's. You know, it's, for the most part, it's serious stuff. So you just kinda get through it and
Jerry Reynolds: you know, yeah. I rolled onto the next, you know, your background too, where you, you've made the statement, I thought it was really. Really interesting how, how much fun sports are for you, whether it's a high school football game or certainly a King, or do I love minor league?
Yeah. Yeah. Just I think we can kind of identify there. You know, I'm one of those people still that, you know, ball goes up. It's fun.
Jim Crandell: Yeah. And you know, basketball is my favorite sport without, without question. And the NBA is my favorite game. And you know what. Jerry, there isn't one game I've ever watched.
It could be the worst two teams in the league playing the worst game in the history of the sport against each other, but at some point during that game, somebody is going to do something that's going to make me go wall. I can't believe he did that. They are the best, most amazing athletes in all professional sports.
Jerry Reynolds: I couldn't agree more. I, I've said the same thing many times. People will always say, well, you know, for all the years you did TV and all the bad teams and games and all, I said, well, you certainly, that's true. But I said, there's never been a game. You know, for me, I love. Good basketball. And I said, not prefer it to be the Kings that's playing the good
Jim Crandell: basketball,
Jerry Reynolds: but I can appreciate it if the other team is doing, you know, I mean, I, or a great player, you know, I mean, it'd be hard not to appreciate a Michael Jordan or Kobe Bryant or you know, LeBron James.
I mean, greatness is greatness and you know, and getting the opportunity.
Jim Crandell: To see it. Yeah. I'm telling you, every game there's, there's something that amazes me that somebody does, and it might be in garbage time. The last guy off the end of the bench, you finally got in, but he's gonna make some spinning three 60 crazy over his head, you know, reverse lay in.
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, all those guys, I don't care if it is the last guy at the end of the bench. All those guys are such amazingly skilled athletes.
Jerry Reynolds: Yeah. To get to this, to the level, I mean, you're one, you don't get three or 400 last thing in the world is, yeah. Well, it said, it's kind of, I loved to watch golf.
I don't play it, but I love to watch it, but I've, I'm just amazed at the skill level of those guys. And I mean, and you might be the course then that sports, you might be the three or 400 best in the world, and you don't make tens of millions of dollars, right? I mean, you're probably making a living, but, uh, in, in the NBA now, and of course, uh, of course when I came to the league and much like when you started following that, uh, the guys didn't, you know, didn't make
Tons. Yeah. You know, they made a very good living
Jim Crandell: for sure. Yeah. I remember when LaSalle Thompson, you know, held out, signed his new contract, and there's a multiyear deal for, I think it was less than $10 million. And I remember him coming back into the arena and getting a standing ovation.
Jerry Reynolds: Actually, I think it was $800,000 a year.
Is that what it was? Yeah, $1,000 a year. Because at that time, I remember that pretty clear. I think the salary cap was $12 million.
Jim Crandell: Wow. For the team. That's a lunch money. Yeah. I mean, now of
Jerry Reynolds: course it's, it's also true is that the, you know, as you know, the team was, I think bill
Jim Crandell: bought
Jerry Reynolds: for 10 million plus 3 million assuming debts.
So about 13 million. That's crazy.
Jim Crandell: Right.
Jerry Reynolds: And now, you know, worth estimated a billion. Yup. Yeah. So we understand back, you know, we'd go back so far, but I always remember, you know. The player salaries are certainly coach's salary. So
Jim Crandell: mean you do that, you remember that?
Jerry Reynolds: Oh yes. Oh, I do. I do. I know if
Jim Crandell: you're not making 5 million a year as
Jerry Reynolds: a coach, you are.
And always said, I was kind of one of my goals way back then. I was hoping to, you know, get a one of those multimillion dollar deals and then, you know, I'd always tell him, if you need to fire me, I'll be very magnanimous.
Jim Crandell: I'm good with it.
Jerry Reynolds: I'll be be okay.
Jim Crandell: Still get the check. But, and you know what? That's.
If I had all the money in the world, I could not own a pro sports team for that reason. And also the salaries that the guys make, and if they get hurt or they don't produce, I mean, I would tear my hair out, you know? I mean, when the Kings were into Chris Weber for all that money, after he jacked up his knee and it was never the same, still had to pay him all that money.
I mean, can you imagine being the owner and. Writing checks for $20 million.
Jerry Reynolds: That's the thing there with Chris too. You know, when that's part of the reason he was traded, you know, and he had most of the money on the contract, and I think Philadelphia thought they were getting Chris Weber. Well, they were getting one legged version of Chris Weber and should've watched them too.
And you know, they, you know, I, I, I know he bounced around at it, but I think Philadelphia actually paid him, had to pay him 40 50 million. To go away. Yeah. You know, and I
Jim Crandell: wouldn't that drive you crazy though, dude. I mean,
Jerry Reynolds: an owner. And I think that's part of the reason why, you know, the seven year contracts at that time, you know, they mix the collective bargain.
Green got rid of that. Yeah. So I think five's the most, the length you can handle
Jim Crandell: right now. And you know, and I don't begrudge the players that money. I want good for them. If you don't get it, get it.
Jerry Reynolds: Well, and I always said it. That's the thing. It's the . The sour cast based on basically 50% of revenue.
Right. So it's either they get
Jim Crandell: half. Yeah. I mean, the owners wouldn't be paying him that money if, if it wasn't, they didn't think they were worth it. Of course, my, my
Jerry Reynolds: stance has always been if there was anybody that. Didn't get in the fair deal. It's not the players. Our owners are, it's, it's the fans. Uh, you know, the revenues is based on revenues.
Well, so much the revenues come from national TV deals and TV deals. Uh, maybe give. Fans a break on tickets. But yeah,
Jim Crandell: I, from what I understand this, such a small percentage of the owner's income comes from ticket sales
Jerry Reynolds: anyway. It really is a, yeah. I, as opposed to when the teams, when I first came to the league and in those days, I mean, that was the biggest part of
Jim Crandell: Yeah. I remember talking to Greg van Dusen about that actually, in, you know, how imp, how important it was at that time, but it's just not that big a factor.
Jerry Reynolds: And of course that's. You know, escalated. But then it also is true why with the TV ratings going down, it's, it's got everybody's attention at the highest levels when the next negotiating thing comes up.
Jim Crandell: yeah, it'll be interesting if that TV revenue does decline when they sign, you know, another national contract with ABC or ESPN or whomever it might be next time, what will happen to the salary cap and what the players' reaction will be
Jerry Reynolds: to, cause it's always based in everybody assumes it's always going to go up.
It's, yeah. What if it starts going down. Kind of like a owning a house, you know? Well, if you start assuming it's always gonna go up, you can get this
Jim Crandell: point, it's going to peak you
Jerry Reynolds: as old people have lived through those times when it didn't always go
Jim Crandell: up. Yeah, I hear ya.
Jerry Reynolds: And, uh, I'm just going to ask you to, you know, of your years covering the NBA and the Kings in particular, there are players that really come to mind that you just really in particular enjoyed watching.
Jim Crandell: Well, I love watching Weber. I mean, he was, he was a head marvelous. Yeah. Amazing talent. Um, but my favorite player to watch without question would be, Jay will. Yeah. White chocolate. Jason Williams.
Jerry Reynolds: Mine too. Honestly. Really? Honestly, I. I've said this many times, I probably, the last time I really enjoyed watching practice and you know, cause I've been around enough practices, uh, was with when Jason Williams.
Yeah. Because every day he did something in practice that would just. Take your breath.
Jim Crandell: Well that, that elbow pass that he actually
Jerry Reynolds: did in a
Jim Crandell: couple times. Yeah. What, what, what just happened out there? He would practice
Jerry Reynolds: that kind of stuff after, you know, and I always say watching him, you know, spend a half hour throwing balls off the wall after practice.
Different ways. You know, I said, who does that? Right. But, yeah, but then I've told this story too, and I, it, you know, I, I spent, I did a little volunteer work when I was a college coach in Georgia at West Georgia. Cotton Fitzsimmons was coach of the Hawks. So when we were friends, uh, going back to junior college days, and I, you know, in those days you had one assistant, so sometimes in summer leagues and, or, uh, uh, veteran camps were, or veteran, uh, camp, you'd have a lot more players.
So I'd, he'd had me come over and help out. Yeah, a little bit, and I just sometimes give me a little, little something
Jim Crandell: nice. Pretty good learning experience
Jerry Reynolds: too. They had Pete Maravich.
Jim Crandell: Oh, wow.
Jerry Reynolds: And it was the same kind of thing. Yeah. It's one of those deals that every day Pete would do something you think and not all of it.
Jim Crandell: Yeah. But,
Jerry Reynolds: but it's something music. Yeah. Hi. That's
Jim Crandell: not possible. Well, that's part of why I like Jason Williams. I mean, you, you know, he'd lead the breakdown in the floor and you never know if he's going to go between his legs and behind his back and throw a pass on the money to Weber for a dunk. Or if he was going to come down the court and go behind his, you know, between his legs and mind his back and throw it about three rows up in the
Jerry Reynolds: stale.
Yeah. It could be
Jim Crandell: addictability on it,
Jerry Reynolds: but I know every, every, uh, before every game, uh, well. Jim, Cosmo and I are doing the pre and post game kind of show or pre, pre game show. They'll have highlights and almost always they'll have a couple of minutes of Jay will.
Jim Crandell: Yeah. And I've seen a
Jerry Reynolds: thousand times. Yep.
And I enjoy it
Jim Crandell: every bit as much.
Jerry Reynolds: No,
Jim Crandell: no, I totally agree.
Jerry Reynolds: And I said, you
Jim Crandell: know, he posted on Twitter every once in a while, you know, here's two minutes at Jay will. And I mean, that crossover against Gary Peyton. Oh, one of the great defenders in the history of the league history of the league
Jerry Reynolds: made him
Jim Crandell: look, no chance.
Made him look like a fool.
Jerry Reynolds: Yeah, he tried to trip
Jim Crandell: Jay. We couldn't even do that.
Jerry Reynolds: But, but I mean, that's that he was, and I've said this, I mean, and, and. You know, in merovich was one of a , but there's nobody to me, Jason Williams, there's not a, he's by far the best handler of a basketball and most creative handler
Jim Crandell: the history of the game that I've ever seen.
Jerry Reynolds: he does. You know, he does things at 90 miles an hour that, that some of these other guys that are pretty fancy with it. I. That's listening is one of the talking heads on ESPN talking about John Miranda. Nice. Very nice. Rookie from
Jim Crandell: Memphis. Yeah. No, he
Jerry Reynolds: was very creative and can do a lot of, I said, yeah.
Yeah, he does it about 20 mile an hour. Jason Williams
Jim Crandell: did that at 90
Jerry Reynolds: and and a lot better. Now, I'm not saying that probably Mirant's going to be a better player. Not argument, but yeah, but I said, don't, don't, don't ever compare. Yeah.
Jim Crandell: Don't buddy. Don't talk about somebody handle and compare him
Jerry Reynolds: to .
Jim Crandell: It's not there.
I liked Reggie theists too. Yeah. I really did.
Jerry Reynolds: I did too. Yeah.
Jim Crandell: I thought he, you know, I remember I did a commentary one time, cause I don't know if you remember this, but fans used to like to blame Reggie for all the PR. Yeah. For
Jerry Reynolds: everything.
Jim Crandell: And you know, I said, listen, if everybody on that team did their job as well as he does his, we'd be in the playoffs.
Yeah. You know, I just thought that, uh, he was a really good solid player who really. He seemed to care. I mean, I know he really did, but he certainly seemed to really care.
Jerry Reynolds: Well, he was really competitive. I always said that's what people didn't realize. I mean, he had play every game. And you know, I think a lot of fans are people who didn't like Reggie or didn't want to, like him say, well, he's kind of a pretty boy and all that.
Hey everybody, he was,
Jim Crandell: you know, Reggie was tough.
Jerry Reynolds: You know, he'd play hurt and guys didn't, and guys knew it. I mean, he, he, he was really a, uh. A heck of a player. I always said that that first year I was with the Kings as a second assistant. Uh, we went to the playoffs, uh, you know, got beat,
Jim Crandell: but gins, Houston, right?
Jerry Reynolds: Yeah, yeah. But, but, you know, they made a trade that off year traded Mike Woodson and, and, uh, Larry drew and, uh, two Clippers for Derek Smith. And I always say that if I
Jim Crandell: was Joe Axelson
Jerry Reynolds: his, yeah. If they hadn't had done that. Uh, honestly, that team would have been a playoff team for four or five years. You had great chemistry.
You know, the guys really liked one another. Reggie was Reggie. And I mean, I always say, you know, Reggie had his own little agenda sometimes, but, uh, but still, you know, Eddie and Mike Woodson, Nettie Johnson, Mike Woods, and those guys, they, they, they. They, they liked him. Right. You know, they, eh, that's just Reggie being red.
Just, you know, type thing.
Jim Crandell: Reggie would that Derrick Smith trade, I mean, he was damaged goods when the, when the traded for him,
Jerry Reynolds: he had a N he's the highest paid player. Uh, you know, no question. Had he not had the knee, had, had knee surgery and coming off mononucleosis. And I mean, you know, what, do you go wrong?
Jim Crandell: I didn't even know about the mano thing.
Jerry Reynolds: He just, it was a. Yeah. It just was a really ,
Jim Crandell: if I remember right, he had lit up the Kings a couple of times. The opener, the opener,
Jerry Reynolds: and the new. When the Kings first came, the very first game the Kings played was against the Clippers and Derek Smith had 36 and beat the Kings.
I mean, I remember it well. Yeah. And, uh, you know, came from behind and, and I always said that that was, you know, in their mind,
Jim Crandell: got infatuated with, for some reason,
Jerry Reynolds: for some reason. And I mean, and having said
Jim Crandell: that, it had,
Jerry Reynolds: you know, he was at terrifically good before. Yeah. No things we mentioned, you know what I mean?
It's like, but injuries changes. It's like Chris Webber. Chris was never the same after that damaged knee. Right. And I
Jim Crandell: know who this team needs is. Mark Olberding.
Jerry Reynolds: He was a tough Buckaroo wasn't, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I always, I always remember at the market, always in close games and stuff, and this was when I was coaching.
He'd always say, we do you coach, you need to get, do we need to get Eddie Johnson open? I said, okay. Yeah, he's talk, he said, you run black blank, whatever play it was. He said, you run it my side, I'll get him open. I'm very would too. And I guarantee you. Oh yeah. I mean, he, he, and as you know, is illegal screens, but they didn't call him then.
Right. That's part of the game. You just to be man enough to, to do what you do. Right. And, uh, so yeah, that was, uh, yeah, the different game then.
Jim Crandell: Yeah, I mean, as a fun team with drew and Reggie and name Thompson, store's really emerging.
Jerry Reynolds: Yeah, no, I was going to say to Johnson and a shooter, no doubt in my mind that that would have been a 44 to 46, seven wind team for several years.
Because, you know, they had, they weren't that old and, but they were veterans. Right. And, uh, so, you know, things, uh, happen. So that was a. The first kind of
Jim Crandell: drew and Woodson both went on to be head coaches in the league. And
Jerry Reynolds: yeah, I've always said, yeah, I thought that too. People say, which did you really suspect they'd be coaches?
Uh, I was, I wasn't surprised that, uh, Mike Watson was, uh, you know, a little more, certainly surprise a little bit with Reggie. You know, not that he always knew he really knew the game. I just didn't, I just assumed he'd probably
Jim Crandell: go into to go to Hollywood TV or,
Jerry Reynolds: yeah, things of that nature. Uh, eh, Larry, a little less so sometimes you out there, some of the guys have come through.
I mean, Danny Ainge and Jim lasts, uh, totally. Not surprised. I knew Danny would be terrific at whatever he did and
Jim Crandell: CGMB Oh
Jerry Reynolds: yeah. Great. Great. One of the best GMs in the league, and not, not surprising at all to me. And then of course, Jim last, I knew he'd be a good, really good
Jim Crandell: coach, which he is.
Jerry Reynolds: Yeah. You know, I mean, sometimes, you know, it's sometimes you don't, sure.
I'd go say to the, uh, you know, your years. You know, covering all sports. Uh, you know, I mean, really Sacramento is just such a great area for baseball. You know, they tremendous, a number amount of talent.
Jim Crandell: And when I, when I first came here, Jerry, literally the biggest sports event in Sacramento was the pig bowl.
You know the football game every year between the fire department and the police department. I mean, it was huge. It's sold out
Jerry Reynolds: 20 or 30,000
Jim Crandell: new stadium. Huge bonfire the night before the game. I mean, it was like one of the biggest things in town, the pig bowl, and now we've got a pro basketball team and soon to get the MLS, DMLS.
And yeah, things are
Jerry Reynolds: worse. I still believe that if the A's would have moved, would move up here. I think, you know, I know they talk about TV market and all that, but still, uh, yeah, this, this city would support it.
Jim Crandell: Yeah. I know that the fans would support it, but there's the whole, you know, corporate
Jerry Reynolds: partnerships.
I assigned it, you know.
Jim Crandell: Yeah. And with all the problems we have getting stadiums built, um, you know, somebody's gonna have to fork up a bunch of money to build a stadium. Cause Railey field, as I understand it, is not. Uh, you can't, you can't do
Jerry Reynolds: large
Jim Crandell: Exactly. Yeah. It wasn't, it wasn't built to have the seating capacity increase.
Jerry Reynolds: a beautiful little in it though. Yeah. It really is a great atmosphere there.
Jim Crandell: And I'm sure that this is probably off topic, but talking to, this is one of my pet peeves, this river cats thing. I, I think the river cats are great for Sacramento. I think their stadium is great. I think it's tremendous entertainment.
It's great for families to go out there. But my thing about. Minor league baseball, especially at the AAA level, is winning is not the thing. It's, you know, it's not the most important thing. And you know, I always tell them, they said, well, what do you mean by that? They try to win. Well, they do. When they're on the field, obviously they do try to win.
But if they were playing the seventh game of the deciding championship series. And they only play three game series. If they play the third game and inside one-to-one, and they're ahead by a run going to the ninth inning and the phone, and they have the best closer in the history of the franchise ready to go to Pittston ninth to wrap up the championship.
If the giants called and said, Hey, uh, we're not sure our guys going to be able to go tomorrow, so don't throw your closer tonight, we might, and we might have to call him up. He wouldn't pitch the wage. Because winning is not the most important thing
Jerry Reynolds: to all player development. Yeah. The
Jim Crandell: big club is the most important thing, and that just bugs the heck out of me.
It just really, and plus if you, I always threatened to send Mark Demsky out there. It works with me at Fox. I said, I want you to go outside the main gate. When they get to the seventh ending and talk to people coming out and ask them to score, they wouldn't know the score would know, huh? No, but I mean, it's fun.
It's great entertainment, but it's not really about the game. And I just, I have a hard time processing that. I
Jerry Reynolds: know I can say I, I, I can say that. I mean, I think that. Really so often it becomes a, uh, my mind is a little bit of a picnic with the
Jim Crandell: exertional activity, with a nice background
Jerry Reynolds: to kind
Jim Crandell: of go, but don't misunderstand it.
If the river cats, people are listening, I, I think it's great that we have this triple a team here for. 1,000 different reasons, but it's just that whole winning thing. Well, you know, professional sports bothers me. And, and as you know,
Jerry Reynolds: every triple teams the same.
Jim Crandell: Exactly. Sure. Yeah. I mean, it's just, they're unique.
Jerry Reynolds: Yeah. No, it's just the way it is. I think it's basically same way in G league and the,
Jim Crandell: you know,
Jerry Reynolds: sure. Sure. I mean, it's, it's not saying they're the players that are on the floor, they're trying to win. Yeah. But, uh, they, that's not where they want to be. And it's about developing
Jim Crandell: and, and, uh, and in too many cases, it's first guy to half court shoot.
Jerry Reynolds: yeah. A little bit of that, you know, a little bit of that. I think so. Well, I, I don't know. I, I tell you it's really been enjoyable. I, uh, of course followed you for years and years, and of course, we're. I'm really old. I mean, you're to hear,
Jim Crandell: I'm right there with you. I'm pretty
Jerry Reynolds: good. We always say we've been to the County fair and rode every ride just about
Jim Crandell: away a couple times, couple times.
But I love it. I really do. I really, I, every day I look, uh, look forward to going in and putting it together and deciding what's important and what's not and what I think people are interested in and what they're not interested in. You know, sometimes my little, you know, five minutes on the air at 10 o'clock.
That's a, it can be the best five minutes of my day if everything goes right. But, um, and I, I, you know, I want, thank you not only for having me on your show, which has been awesome, but you've always been. You know, some guys just as shy away from the media, they don't want anything to do with us. But, um, you know, I really appreciate the fact that, you know, in all the different roles you had with the Kings and the coach, and a player personnel guy and a general manager and the monarchs and all that stuff.
I mean, you've always been a media friendly and always honest. And if you didn't want to talk about something, you'd just let us know upfront that, you know, I'm not going to go there or whatever. And that's unique for . Executives and coaches in pro sports, and I know that everybody. Who's worked in the media in town and covered you and your teams has always appreciated that.
Jerry Reynolds: thank you for that. You're very nice there. I, I mean, I always did think that, you know, uh, you guys got a tough job, you know, I mean, it's a tough job though. Just like. You know, whether as a coach or a front office person, I mean, those are all tough jobs and, and why make a tougher on people?
Jim Crandell: Thank you.
Jerry Reynolds: You know? I mean, yeah, I mean, sometimes, like you say, sometimes you, you're in a spot where you can't deal with something, but, and might as well be honest about that too. But, uh, anyway, you know, you've been, you know, you've been one of the good guys over the years for all the years and, and really, I think with the
You know, the sports coverage in, in this city. It's, it's been terrific. You know, very fair. I mean, I always said, uh, you know, I've been, you know, the Kings had been criticized justifiably, uh, for the most part, uh, players had been criticized, uh, and praised, right? Justify and criticize. I mean, that's the whole thing.
It's not like, uh, a New York or something where it's just, uh. That's guys, I've got to find something to
Jim Crandell: attack. Exactly that. Yeah. That's kind of the name of the game in some places. But yeah. Um, I just hope the Kings get it turned around again cause uh, you know, um, you know, we were talking before the show.
My thing is that, you know, the King's all be on a losing streak and somebody will say, well, what do you think? Or though my line is, I get paid the same. Whether they win or lose, but the truth is I would rather have them win. And I know I was supposed to be unbiased reporters and all that nonsense, but it's more fun for everybody when they win.
And quite honestly, it makes my job easier because I don't want to, I don't want to go in the locker room after they get beat by 30 and they've lost six games in a row and try to talk to buddy Heald about why he shot two for nine from the three point line. Yeah. But send me in there after they're on a winning streak and they've just won by 30 and heels made, you know, six of 11 then, you know, then he wants to talk because in the other scenario, he doesn't want to talk.
And I don't, I don't, I don't want to talk. But it's fun. It's fun for everybody when they win, and it's great for the city and for the fans when they win. So hopefully they get this mess
Jerry Reynolds: sorted out. I hope so. You know, I've always had kind of my goal, if I've got one left, I mean, it's not really to. to work on, I'll be a Kings Kingspan regardless, you know, or in a basketball fan regardless.
Sure. But, but when the Kings
Jim Crandell: were really good,
Jerry Reynolds: I really enjoyed it, truly enjoyed it. But if it happens again and I'm counting on it happened again while I'm still alive. Uh, I will enjoy it far more. Yeah, no, I mean
Jim Crandell: after all these years, I didn't,
Jerry Reynolds: I don't think I appreciated it as much as I should have.
Yeah. And I'll, I'll, I'll be a little better next time around and hopefully, you know, my, my brain, I'm not, you know, slobbering down my chin on the, on the, on the front porch. No, not now. I do. Just a couple of days a week.
Jim Crandell: Now, you know, somebody mentioned me the other day. You know, it's been so long since the Kings were good.
There are kids now in high school who are Kings fans that never have seen
Jerry Reynolds: the playoff game or good winning, really good winning team.
Jim Crandell: That's sad.
Jerry Reynolds: That's very sad. And, and you know, and yeah, you start, they start to. You know, and I think, you know, the franchise is kinda sold, still trying to sell the 2000, 2001.
Jim Crandell: that ship has sailed a long time ago,
Jerry Reynolds: long, long time ago. And like you say, uh, cause young people, you know, what's happened two or three years in advance. And that's about the most,
Jim Crandell: you know, for me, for me, every once in a while I have. Video of just about everything of consequences happened since I've been here.
I saved it all. And so if something, you know, happens to a player or whatever, a former player, I can go back and find video and sometimes I'll go back into those old and they are video tapes. Um, now everything's digital and a little disk, but I'll go back into those video tapes and I'll run into highlights that we've saved of King's games from back in the Weber page a days.
And I just sit there and watch it. I watched the whole thing. I mean, it was beautiful. It was so fun.
Jerry Reynolds: Beautiful basketball to get that back. And, uh, you know, of course, my pet peeve on that is it Rick Adelman oughta have a Jersey retired in honor, and he really ought to be a Naismith hall of fame. I mean, I, you know, he, he was here eight years.
Eight playoffs. Yeah. With different kinds of teams. Yup. Yeah. He's, had, he had more success than any player. In the Sacramento Kings franchise.
Jim Crandell: Yeah. Good point. I mean, yeah.
Jerry Reynolds: I don't know. No, he's a heck of a coach. Heck, a coach. I mean, he wasn't mr cheerful, always used to get him on that, but that has nothing to do
Jim Crandell: with,
Jerry Reynolds: you know, uh, he really, he really probably was the.
Most valuable. Right. You know, I mean, you can't win without talent. The Kings had talent. Sure. But he was the perfect guy for it.
Jim Crandell: Yeah. Talking about what we were just talking about, he was, he was a little difficult to approach with a microphone sometimes.
Jerry Reynolds: Oh, I know. You know. I know. And I used to talk to him about that.
You know, we'd have a little errand. I mean, we've been friends forever and, uh, think the world of him, but I said, you know what, you sometimes you go out of your way to, there'd be dips early. Yeah. Early. I mean, you know, most of these people right. They don't have anything guessed you. You know? If you've got a problems with the Maloofs, that's one thing, but that's not right.
Jim Crandell: Yeah. And it's part, you know, it's part of the deal when you know, when you cash your check that, you know, that's part of it.
Jerry Reynolds: And I, and I, I, the way I felt then too, it's like, well, you, you know, they're
Jim Crandell: paying you very well. They, well, you don't have to agree with them.
Jerry Reynolds: But you know, they're, they're the owners.
You probably ought to talk to him. You can, I don't want to, I don't agree with anything you say to anyway.
Jim Crandell: Yeah. When they, when they call and you say, no, I'm taking not taking the call. Yeah. That's, that's probably not good for job security.
Jerry Reynolds: Not the best strategy probably. I know mere you would have made it very long had that been our
Jim Crandell: strategy.
Jerry Reynolds: You know, so, but anyway, I, uh. I really appreciate you coming on, and it's been, been been a blast for me and really fun. Uh, so, uh, Jim Crandall, no, uh, kind of a legend here in, uh, Sacramento and I got a lot
Jim Crandell: more years to be alleged. Let's hope. Yeah.
Jerry Reynolds: Let's hope.
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